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The single biggest problem with the education system.

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My whole point is that as long as we insist that kids attend school we should insist that they learn what's being taught. Remember that the curriculum is written so that the least intelligent in the group will understand it. That means that except for mental defect everyone should successfully learn the lessons.

It would also help immensely it the students were given copies of the lesson plans for the courses. That way they would have some idea of what they are supposed to learn going in, and teaching/learning would be a more cooperative effort.
 
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Sounds like a big mess compared to my high school years (graduated in 1958).
Perhaps the problem is not 'what' they are teaching but the reasons 'why' they are teaching as they do today. Motive is always the bottom line. Think of it as 12 years of brainwashing disguised as practical education, the proverbial 'brick in the wall'.
 
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One wonders if the problems faced by education today are the result of their own education policies of yesterday. In other words have they created their own Frankenstein monster?

Many schools tout the success of their graduates i.e. how "they have gone on to be" this and that successful figure. How about a peek at all the graduates? What has become of the 'others' over time?
 
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Brainwashing? Sounds conspiratorial.
 
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Brainwashing? Sounds conspiratorial.

I would say myopic, lacking comprehensiveness. For example the school doesn't teach poor kids why they are poor, and how to overcome it. Same with fat, unfit, or unhealthy kids (can't do anything about ugly however). They should be shown why they are in that condition and what they must do to make positive changes.

Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan; "It's hard to drain the swamp (educate the kids) when we're up to our kiester in alligators (kid's personal and family problems).
 
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Schools are tactful enough o never tell a kid they are poor but, they sure teach kids how to break the cycle of poverty. They also try to educate kids about physical education and healthy diets. However, there is one political party that always complains whenever a teacher mentions anything other than basic skills; remember the drama over Michelle Obama's school health initiative? Fox News had a good laugh over that.
 
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We need to persuade the kids, for their own good.

https://vlipsy.com/vlip/the-last-king-of-scotland-you-did-not-persuade-me-wXXJVWSY
 
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If only it were that easy. During the past school year, I had my students read scientific articles on the effects of marijuana use on the developing brain; they then composed argumentative and explanatory essays. Five of those students were later caught smoking weed on the bus.

Nine other students refused to turn in late work, or even sometimes, to do work while in class. These are actually very sweat and endearing student's whom I like a lot but, they are apathetic and did not pass my class. Contrary to public perception, teachers do not just "pass" a student who does not earn it.

The reasons for apathy and or distractedness which I have witnessed in my students include:

1. A girl who's father who sustained 85% burns to his body pulling her out of their burning apartment.
2. A boy who lost his eye because he quit a gang and was beaten within an inch of his life for it (he has difficulty reading now and gets migraines in class which make him cry).
3. Several students molested by family members.
4. Students who get busted by the drug dog because the smell of their parents drugs are on their clothes and backpack.

Comfortable America has little idea about what teacher do all day or what the solutions are.

If you stake a child future on the teacher's ability to persuade students, you are setting everyone up for failure.
 
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I think most would call it patriotic
What ever "most" people do or think is rarely the answer. The problems in this world are nuanced, intractable, but ultimately solvable. You are welcome to become a teacher and help.
 
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If you stake a child future on the teacher's ability to persuade students, you are setting everyone up for failure.
I believe the first five years of life set up a person for what they will become as a personality in adulthood, quite often long before the school system gets a hold of them. In this age of shirking personal responsibility it is quite often the case the parent will hand off the job of upbringing the child to the system, or at least blame the system if the kid doesn't turn out reasonably civilized and intelligent. As rights replace responsibility we will see a return to the uncivilized and selfish behaviour of past eras of a 'tribal' mentality.
 
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I agree with what you said about early development. Teacher get students after the software has already been installed and then we are asked to perform miracles. We still try.
 
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You are welcome to become a teacher and help.
If a teacher wants to help then return the students to an age of responsibility before rights. 30 years already of the reverse can only bring about more hardship down the road.
 
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If a teacher wants to help then return the students to an age of responsibility before rights. 30 years of the reverse can only bring about more hardship.
I have no idea what you mean by age of responsibility or 30 years of hardship. Can you clarify?
 
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I have no idea what you mean by age of responsibility or 30 years of hardship. Can you clarify?
The system, not the parents, started teaching the kids 30 years ago about their rights, setting aside responsibility as the prime focus. That generation is producing a new generation based on those principles and people wonder why the apathy and avarice today.
 
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So why are you on this forum criticizing the educational system if you locate the responsibility with parents?
 
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So why are you on this forum criticizing the educational system
As I said, the system changed the rules, not the parents. I remember quite well the rash of false accusations against teachers, support staff and parents, as students flexed their new found muscles of rights over responsibility. You don't give young inmates that sort of power within the asylum.You won't have as many leaving the fold as responsible young adults either, preferring self entitlement instead. As for those suffering abuse at home or at the hand of other self entitled bullies, in many cases it may only harden the resolve of the victims to become rights seekers as we see in the media today where lives and careers are ruined merely by an accusation rather than a proper trial.
 
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