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Shalom here is an interesting view.




Taken from
http://abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.html

I have been studying this view, and it seems to make alot of sense.

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Shalom Sheilaw,
I am not sure what your point is?
They control the oil that moves nearly everything!Nearly all industry as you know must have oil to operate.As you must know, they don't fight through conventional warfare, but through terrorism, small bands, but a very real threat.I can imagine they are not as weak as you we may think, also I don't think it is unreasonable that the U.N. *may* seek to strengthen them.
I have heard it stated that Mecca too is known as "The 7 Hills".

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Here is another way of viewing these king/Empires.

Rome is the one that "Was" at the time of John. The seventh needs to have the same qualifiers as the previous six. Those qualifiers for the first seven are:

They must be a root empire, not the down stream end of a previous.

They must be mighty in the earth, World empires

They must exercise control over the lands of Israel for part of their kingdom.

Threfore the often overlooked empire, the 7th, which ruled over Israel for only a short time, was a world empire, and a root empire was the British Empire. At one time it was said, "the sun never sets upon the British Empire", because they covered all the globe. But they exercised control over Israel only some 50 years.

Now the Eighth is the Beast, not the seventh. And this one is quite different, because it is not a root empire. Unlike the previous it is a Mixture of the previous seven. Notice it says in the verse, " It Is OF the 7" and not "One of the seven". Amde up of pieces of the seven. This rules out a revived Roman empire all together. IT is a mixture of nations, has ethnic diversity, controls lands that were parts of the previous 7. IT is a world wide empire and looks to control all nations, but does so through entrigue, through manitpulation of appearant peace, and throuh regulation of trade.

The Unted nations is the only entity with the potential to fulfill the qualifiers today. (This does not mean that there would be something else later, it is possible) But the UN now has the world court which supercedes all soverign authority of every nation. Example: You are no longer protected by the Constitution in te United States, because the UN has the authority to arrest you and make you stand beore their court, and the US has to abide. The look to control all trade and have divided the world into ten economic regions and appointed a vicroy over each. (Though so far this is only a powerless structure, in times of a world catatrophe, it is ready to step in.) They draw their power in arms from all nations, and manipulate nations in the name of pomised peace. They are a mixture of all the preious nations, and exercised control of Israel and were key in its foundation in 1948.

However the King most associated with the POWER of the 8th has some really intersting attributes. Some of them:

A mighty nation from its youth

Grows up suddenly in the last days

Its major city is a deep port city which all the nations do trade with

It has made all the nations merchants wealthly by it consuming of goods

It has ethnic diversity

It is the most powerful nation ever, even has fortresses in the heavenly places (space)

All the kings of the earth meet in her great city

There are over 100 attributes of this Babylon of the last days, and no nation today can fulfill all of them.




Except the United States. It meets all the qualifiers of Babylon of the last days. Have you ever wondered why the U.S. Israels prime protector seems to be missing in Bible profhecy? Babylon falls, is taken down before the Lord returns and is destryed as an empire forever when he comes.

Woa, woa to you O Baylon, you great city! Who shall ever again be like you who have made all the merchants of the world weathly through the buying of their goods, of Gold, silver, precious woods, spices, fruits, ......... . . . .. .. .. ... and the souls of men.


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Shalom Charles
Fine points you make as always.

First I should make it clear, this is not my work, and I can't claim that I could have put it together.I simply am not that scholarly to do so.It is from a former Islamist.
It is a lot of info. too much to post here.So here is the link to the whole work.
http://abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.html

That is the rough draft form, and there may be some changes in the finalized version.As far as I know it is complete, but they are looking for a publisher.

If you read it I think it pretty well answers some of what you stated.

Shalom v shalom

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