The Seven Kingdoms

[Politik]

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." Revelation 17: 9-11

From what I've read most people assume that the five that have fallen are:

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece

And the one that is:

Rome

Firstly, is this assessment accurate?

After Rome split into two empires, the west fell first. The eastern empire went on until it was conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1453. So is it safe to assume that after Rome came the Ottoman Empire? That would make it the seventh kingdom. Also I read that at one point all these empires have had control over Jerusalem.

Also, what does it mean when the Bible says "The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king."

When it says "who once was" is it talking about one of the five who have fallen?

Am I right or have I completely misinterpreted this whole thing? What's everybody's take on this?

 

[jeffweeder]

Good post

When it says "who once was" is it talking about one of the five who have fallen?

It mentions that he is one of the 7.

10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
11 "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction

The 7th one could be the Holy Roman Empire-The woman sitting on the beast.
The 7 are 7 hills --this identifies Rome as it sits on 7 hills and the woman sits there.....

The 8th possibly being the beast (rome) revived of rev 13- with the false prophet ( false woman - the woman of rev 12 were those who followed the testamony of Jesus--the Church--this false prophet is the Apostasy of 2thess 2). AND it goes to perdition.

"come out of her my people," makes you think that it is indeed a false Church.

Tough one

 

[DanJudge]

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." Revelation 17: 9-11

From what I've read most people assume that the five that have fallen are:

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece

And the one that is:

Rome

Firstly, is this assessment accurate?

After Rome split into two empires, the west fell first. The eastern empire went on until it was conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1453. So is it safe to assume that after Rome came the Ottoman Empire? That would make it the seventh kingdom. Also I read that at one point all these empires have had control over Jerusalem.

Also, what does it mean when the Bible says "The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king."

When it says "who once was" is it talking about one of the five who have fallen?

Am I right or have I completely misinterpreted this whole thing? What's everybody's take on this?

Brothers/Sisters, This is part of a chapter from the "little book" of Revelation chapter 10.

ON THE NATURE AND DOOM OF THE SOVIET STATE
II THESSALONIANS 2:1-12

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, called Lenin, metamorphosed and passed now into the collectivity of the Soviet State, his lie indelibly fused with Russian nationalism by the shock of invasion — but the name of the wicked shall rot

1 Now we ask, brothers, of you concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 That you not become quickly shaken in mind or agitated, either by a spirit or by word or by a letter as though from us, saying that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means, for that day will not arrive without the coming of the Apostasy first and the revelation of the man of sin, doomed to destruction,
4 Who so opposes and exalts himself over everything that is called a god or that is an object of worship that he would even sit himself down in the temple of God and present himself as God!
5 Do you not recall that when I was still with you, I said these things to you?
6 And you know what is restraining him now, that he might be revealed in his own proper time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity is already at work, only there is that which restrains it now until it breaks forth out of our midst.
8 And then shall that Wicked One be revealed whom the Lord Jesus will consume by the breath of His mouth and destroy by the manifestation of his presence:
9 Whose coming is by the work of Satan with all power and signs and false omens.
10 And with every wicked deception for those who are to perish — even because they refused the love of the truth that they might be saved.
11 Therefore, even for this, God will send against them a deluding influence that they might believe the Lie.
12 That they might all be condemned who did not believe the truth, but had approved of the evil.

Surely He is ever with us and His mouth has commanded war, that they might all be condemned and perish that are the border of wickedness and the people of His curse against whom He will rage in fury forever, even the tenth part of the city of Pharisees and of servitude and affliction, but it called according to the spirit of it Sodom, ever reprobate, being an eighth and yet one of seven, the very image and projection of that great one, that red one, called world-deceiver and serpent turned dragon (surely his image sharpens with the passing of the kingdoms), sprung whole from the drivel of these his Synagogue whose spite was turned to horror and themselves to ashes — so may all Your enemies perish, O Lord — filled with names of blasphemy and ever growing wrath, for the nameless hosts whose blood cries out, blood of saints and blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

"For we will destroy this place, because their cry has become great before the presence of the LORD; and the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
— Genesis 19:13

And they said again, "Hallelujah!" And her smoke will rise up forever and ever.
— Revelation 19:3

And the beast had seven heads, and one of them was "as it were wounded to death" at the fall of Rome, but "its deadly wound was healed" in this Western Civilization, and they are seven kings which are kingdoms, as in Daniel 7:17 and 23, for he says of the heads, "and those are seven kings," which are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and Arabia, and there is an eighth to appear at the end, the metamorphosed form of the Eastern Empire, which is the beast itself, "that was and is not and yet is" — "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed, and given to the burning flame" — bearing the full measure of the impurity, guile and fury of its master, and that is the Marxist tyranny of the Third Rome, for "the beast that was and is not, that is even the eighth, but is one of the seven, and goes to destruction" (Daniel 7:11; Revelation 13:3; 17:7-11). And this Soviet Union foreshadowed in Sodom — the fire, the cave, contamination, and the great fear — is the Edom of the Old Testament latter-day prophecies as well, the godless petulant one who, returning weary and in defeat from the high places of the field, despised his heritage for a seething cauldron of a thing alien and unknown, becoming through it that Red One made for blood whom blood shall pursue, rebuilt now since the Second World War but destined for destruction and everlasting burnings, the habitation only of the monsters of the ancients, even as the Synagogue of Satan when vengeance seized hold of it, twisted and doomed mutant forms that struggle and scurry in the deathsmoke; and truly, "Though you might grind a fool in a mortar among kernels with a pestle, his folly would still not depart from him" (Genesis 19:1-30; 25:27-34; Proverbs 27:22; Isaiah 34; Malachi 1:2-5; and Hebrews 12:16; and Edom means "red one" and Esau "fully made").

Then a host appeared out of Ephraim sprung from the root of war against Amalek. — Judges 5:14

I set a trap for you and you were even as taken, O Babylon, but you were not aware! Now are you both ferreted out and also caught, because you have striven against the LORD! — Jeremiah 50:24

—Barry I. Hyman
CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERHOOD

Peace be with You All
DanJudge 06/01/07

 

[Politik]

Can I get some more opinions on this matter please?

 

[KTatis]

Why are Medo-Persia considered as one?

 

[Barraco]

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." Revelation 17: 9-11

From what I've read most people assume that the five that have fallen are:

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece

And the one that is:

Rome

Firstly, is this assessment accurate?

After Rome split into two empires, the west fell first. The eastern empire went on until it was conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1453. So is it safe to assume that after Rome came the Ottoman Empire? That would make it the seventh kingdom. Also I read that at one point all these empires have had control over Jerusalem.

Also, what does it mean when the Bible says "The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king."

When it says "who once was" is it talking about one of the five who have fallen?

Am I right or have I completely misinterpreted this whole thing? What's everybody's take on this?

yeah, you've lost track of the context. the chapter is about the harlot Mystery Babylon. Those seven kings are the kings she played the harlot with. The seven hills identify her as Rome (seeing that Jerusalem had been destroyed already.) This is the city that, at the time of the sixth king, ruled over the kings of the earth.
The deal is the seven heads represent seven dynasties that formed the seven kingdoms that ruled over Rome.

The first dynasty is Augustus Octavion's Roman Kingdom
The second dynasty is Odoacer's Kingdom
The third dynasty is Theodoric's Ostrogothic Kingdom
The fourth dynasty is Justinian's Byzantine Kingdom
The fifth dynasty is Charlemagne's Frankinsh Kingdom
The sixth dynasty is Otto the Great's German Kingdom
(during this time, the city of Rome became drunk with the blood of the saints and martyrs. Here, she shed blood of innocent people, her own people.)
The seventh dynasty is Victor Emmanuel's Italian Kingdom
(This one was established in the late 19th century and ended before the mid-twentieth century.)

The eighth kingdom, consists of all seven kingdoms: This being the European Union, which found its start at the end of the Italian Kingdom after WWII. This union of nations began with the Treaty of Rome on March 25th, 1957.

To see clearly, about this then: The seven kings are seven kingdoms that ruled over Rome as political benefactors. By their hand did she flourish through the raids of barbarians, Arabs, the French, and the Italians. She, being a city Church, played the lover with kings other than Jesus in attempt to sustain through political changes.

And when it talks about the eight head being a king who once was, but now is not, its speaking of a kingdom that once existed as a unified kingdom, like it was when Charlemagne, one of the five who had fallen, ruled over Rome. Notice here that it says that the 'beast' is an eighth king, showing that the kingdom would be the start of the dynasty and not a king.

This, then, indicates that the beast that the harlot rides is a different beast than that which came out of the sea in Revelation 13.


God bless