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Amen MVA--because actually th 'old' covenant only lasted about 40 days. And guess who broke it? hahaThe Sabbath is called a sign in the Old Testament.
Now for those of you always referring to the "new" covenant. Let's remember that the new covenant IS something that is found and taught in several different places in the Old Testament.
It is NOT a New Testament thing.
There are different 'paths'? I'm curious--could you expound?I acknowledge your experience Honor; however, I almost never share in it. I find people curious, open, warm, and nothing but pleasant when they find out I worship (as an SDA) on Sabbath.
Having said that I have no desire for them to do the same, so I'm equally curious, open, warm, and pleasant when it comes to asking questions about their path.
I guess experiences vary!
I hope you have a lovely Sabbath.
Oh yes--I have seen this too. It's like--'see--we re keeping the 'real' Sabbath too". Of course--without really keeping it. Isn't tis an example of 'in the hand' service to God?Honor, I agree with you about the Sabbath. One of the problems in Adventism today is that it is being diluted. Many Adventists are treating it just like a Sunday keeper treats Sunday.
Also, right now you probably won't get much argument about going to church on Sabbath when so many Sunday churches are offering a service on Saturday for the convenience of their church goers.
I have talked with Catholics who say "oh yeah I go to church on Saturday too."
I do believe that eventually the Sabbath will become the final test of those who are loyal to God. I don't think we are there yet, but we will be.
The Sabbath is called a sign in the Old Testament.
Now for those of you always referring to the "new" covenant. Let's remember that the new covenant IS something that is found and taught in several different places in the Old Testament.
It is NOT a New Testament thing.
Perhaps your brand of Adventism doesn't spark their ire.All of my friends tend to be kind to me even though I'm an Adventist.
I think you missed the point.Maybe the reason some are so hostile is because of all the crazies in Adventism and Adventist's hatred for Catholicism and Sunday keeping. My experience shows the opposite.
However, there are many who will be saved who are not Sabbath keepers..which is where my problem lies with it. It would seem more logical on the surface to be the Spirit, rather than the Law.
Mankin--I wasn't talking about you discussing Adventism with your friends. We witness by what we do and what we say.I don't talk with my friends about theology of Adventism. Please don't refer to it as a brand. Ultimately I think it will be progs running the church. If you look down through history the theologies of some churchs will astound you and what is considered fundamentalism now may have been considered somewhat liberal back then.
Most liberal SDA's keep Sabbath the way sunday keepers keep sunday. So it is your witness that I was referring to. This may be why your friends are not stirred by your actions.
well, if you hear on the new a man was killed with a gun or by a gun, does it make a big difference?
You need to pray about it and see what the Lord impresses you by/with His words...
The following is a cut-n-paste of a short article I have on this...
No one is saved by their observance of the Sabbath. Also, there will be those saved who do not keep the Sabbath. However, anyone who knowingly disregards what is right is committing a sin.
"Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." James 4:17
I can tell you folks that from personal experience that NOTHING will spark the ire of other churches or the world any faster against you than for them to find out that you keep the 7th day Sabbath.
It makes no difference if you claim Christ as Saviour and that you exhibit the fruits of the Spirit. All that goes by the wayside when they find that you keep that Sabbath day. Why is that? Why does this day cause them so much consternation even among those who proclaim themselves Christians?
I think the answer is simple. Because that day has always been the dividing line between those who love Him those those who love Him not. (Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.)
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
But what about those who really DID/DO love Christ but didn't know or understand about the Sabbath's importance?
Ac 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Now I understand that the context of this text is about idolatry, but the principle is the same. God is patient with ignorance. But I see Christians today who have heard about the 4th commandment fight against it with all their might. These are those whom I truly believe that Christ is referring to in Matt. 15:8.
So yes friends, there seems to be a power of division when it comes to the sign of the Sabbath loyalty question. I've also noticed that NO OTHER commandment has the power to bring such division among believers.
Have you ever heard anyone object to honoring their parents? What about the one about murdering? Or committing adultery? Nope--you won't find any non-Adventist preacher condemning those who honor those commandments. But not so with the 4th.
You see--even moral atheist's can keep most of God's laws dealing with our relationships with each other (the last 6). And even most Christians have no argument with the 3 commandments dealing with out love relationship with God. But OH BOY---when it comes to that dastardly Sabbath one--the fight is on. Again--why is that? Because nothing is so important to humans as their TIME. After all--we have so little of it.
The main complaint of kids for the past few generations is that their parents give them everything except their TIME. Time seems to be the plum line of the heart. You give your TIME to those you truly love. Or TIME to those projects you adore. But we do not give the TIME of day to those we dislike or those things we dislike.
The Sabbath is about TIME. Time spent with God on His special day that HE set aside for the quality TIME with His children. But the other unique thing about the Sabbath is that no one can claim it as especially theirs, because TIME belongs to everyone--equally. If God would have made His sign as a material object, then some wealthy person or nation could have grabbed it and claimed God's favor. So God in His wisdom made His sign of love and loyalty an entity unlike any other--it's about TIME. And isn't salvation about TIME? ETERNAL TIME?
Actually, I too have had positive experiences with Chrisitans who find out I keep the Sabbath.Only a couple bad ones, and they aren't actually the Christians. Rofl. That tends to go into the realm of it being silly to dedicate a day like that.
And believe me, when I have it my way I can be very strict with the Sabbath keeping. No NOTHING being done, really.
However, I have seen what you talk about too. And in regards to the commandment about other gods/idols. There's been a fair amount of heat in that direction, especially nowadays with such a wide understanding of many religions and an attempt to be supportive of them all.
And I do think we all have paths.God chooses unique ways to bring us to Him, along with some who are in other religions to end up bringing others within that religion to Him. I know, because i've been there. So uch of my witnessing power comes from my past in other faiths, and for that I think it was actually God's plan for me when He knew I wouldn't be brought up in a strict Christian moral run household.
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