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The Scriptural documentation of the Pre-trib Rapture of the Church and its timing

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How could they make a connection with something that was sealed from them?
I don't understand why you keep asking the same question which the answer is obvious. It is like asking why didn't the disciples comprehend that Jesus was going to die on the cross for forgiveness of sins ahead of time, even though Jesus told them...it was sealed from their understanding.

Luke 18:

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
 
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I don't understand why you keep claiming that they didn't make the connection, when they couldn't make it because it was sealed.

If you stop claiming that they didn't make the connection, I'll stop asking how they could make it if it was sealed.
 
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No, you are making bad logic. They were right as far as their theological objections to the practices and abuses of the Roman Catholic Church system. But their eschatology assertion that the Pope/Papacy was the Antichrist was wrong.
 
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No, you are making bad logic. They were right as far as their theological objections to the practices and abuses of the Roman Catholic Church system. But their eschatology assertion that the Pope/Papacy was the Antichrist was wrong.
Their eschatological assertion was one of the foundational doctrines of the Reformation. Without it, the Reformation would not have occurred. So if you're grateful for the Reformation, as you acknowledged that you are, then you must also be grateful for the eschatological assertion that underpinned it and made it possible.
 
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I don't understand why you keep claiming that they didn't make the connection, when they couldn't make it because it was sealed.

If you stop claiming that they didn't make the connection, I'll stop asking how they could make it if it was sealed.
You can keep asking a senseless question all you want. If the understanding of Ezekiel 39 was sealed from them, they would not understand it. If a person doesn't understand the end times prophecies properly - they are going to come to some wrong conclusions - which the reformers did regarding their claim of the Pope/Papacy being the Antichrist.
 
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No matter how you frame it, the reformers were wrong about their eschatology that the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist.
 
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Of course they wouldn't understand it if it was sealed and they couldn't read it. How can you be expected to understand something that you're prevented from reading?

The Reformers got it right, and that's why we enjoy the spiritual freedoms that allow us to have this dialogue today.

Be grateful, and give thanks.
 
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No matter how you frame it, the reformers were wrong about their eschatology that the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist.
No matter how you frame it, the Reformation was a success. In order for the Reformation to be successful, the Reformers' eschatology had to be correct. Because the Reformation was successful, the Reformers' eschatology was correct.
 
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Maybe you don't understand. Eschatology is the study of the end times - the reformers did not get it right regarding the Antichrist. They misidentified the Pope/Papacy as being the Antichrist.

Ezekiel 39 pinpoints when that person confirms the covenant for 7 years relative to Gog/Magog. Gog/Magog was not back in the reformers' day, and is not associated with the Pope, but the another person Jesus spoke of in John 5:43 the Jews will embrace as the messiah - King of Israel - instead of Jesus, the rightful King of Israel.

Why don't you study Ezekiel 39 instead of repeating the reformers got it right - without looking at the biblical evidence? You are thankful to the reformers that we are not under the Papal system, rightfully so, but you don't seem to be thankful to God that He has made it possible in our generation that the understanding of the prophecies have been unsealed.

My prayer to the Lord Jesus Christ is that He open the understanding of the prophecies to me. And am thankful to no end for what He has.
 
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They misidentified the Pope/Papacy as being the Antichrist.

Based on the only use of the word "antichrist" in the Bible, the Pope/Papacy fits perfectly.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

There were popes in the past who had a concubine living in the Vatican and fathered children with them during the time they were pope.

CNN has been running a special on the history of the Papacy, during the last few weeks.
It is something all Christians need to see.
Some of it has been quite revealing, about those who have claimed to have been God's representative on earth.

The first program began with the claim that Peter is the rock upon which the Church is built, instead of Christ.
That claim in and of itself, is "antichrist".

Claiming that Daniel 9:27 is not about the New Covenant of Christ is also "antichrist", in the same way.

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Based on the only use of the word "antichrist" in the Bible, the Pope/Papacy fits perfectly.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist.
antichrist in trait, but not the Antichrist who confirms the covenant with many, then breaks it committing the transgression of desolation, then is killed for his act, then is brought back to life, possessed by the unclean spirit in the bottomless pit, to become the beast in Revelation 13, who rules the world for 42 months, to be cast into the lake of Fire at Jesus Coming in Revelation 19.

I don't know why you are claiming the Roman Catholic Church denies the Trinity, the Father and the Son, since it is part of their doctrine.

Claiming that Daniel 9:27 is not about the New Covenant of Christ is also "antichrist", in the same way.
Not only does that not make sense, but it is against forum rules, as you are accusing members of this forum as being antichrists. This forum is in desperate need of two new tags.
 
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Obviously you have severely misunderstood the writings of Calvin , scripture and the matter at
hand , if the Man of Lawlessness in 2Thess2 had actually been revealed 1 the restrainer - the Born Again Church would have been removed which they have not , the restrainer has not yet been taken out of the way , Man of lawlessness has not yet been revealed -has not yet taken his role and you are wrong on all counts , you apparently do not understand what Calvin wrote about



 
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That is the RCC trying to lay claim that the RCC was the first Christian church by implying and stating that Peter was the first Catholic Pope but that is easily debunked as anyone can discover easily that Peter was not a catholic Pope
RCC has many secrets that reveal many deceptions - Catholic schools have taught that the last Pope will be the Evil Pope anticipated to be the false prophet
 
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Here's an excerpt of what Calvin wrote:

""True religion is that by which the true God alone is worshipped; that, the son of perdition will transfer to himself." Now, every one that has learned from Scripture what are the things that more especially belong to God, and will, on the other hand, observe what the Pope claims for himself -- though he were but a boy of ten years of age -- will have no great difficulty in recognizing Antichrist."

He says that a ten-year-old boy would recognize Antichrist.

How old are you?
 
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I understand, the Reformers understood, and they got it right. The biblical evidence is in Daniel, Thessalonians, John's epistles, and Revelation. That's a whole lot more than Ezekiel 39 alone.

Why don't you study Daniel 9:24-27 and recognize Messiah the Prince throughout within it, as the historical true Christian Church has done for over eighteen centuries?
 
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The Papacy now seems to be promoting the error of Dual-Covenant Theology.


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