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...perhaps a demonstration then? or Example?With ones heartSo how does one investigate the spiritual?
Not really, love is an Emotion.Love is spiritual
Well, perhaps if your definition of spiritual is so vague as to include everything non-material such as mathematics, then I can easy see how you're confused. I'd suggest conferring with your fellow believers on that point because if you stick to that definition, then Science has not only the ability to discover and study the "spiritual", but is already using the "spiritual" via mathematics and writing and emotions, reasoning and cognitive thought, etc. and we can all go home - Job Done!Yes, you have summarized the issues very succinctly. Atheists generally ignore all of this by assuming materialism. They dismiss any argument referencing anything non-material by claiming "it *is* material". Hard to take it seriously.
How do you know the Bible is the revealed word of God? For example, could it be possible that fallible men wrote it, regardless the source of their inspiration?Only one way. The revealed word of God, the Bible.So how does one investigate the spiritual?The scientific method is based on materialism, that all of matter is material, that the universe upon which science investigates is only material, not spiritual.
If we use your definition of "spiritual" as "non-material stuff", then we not only believe in your version of "spiritual" but use it in our everyday lives, such as Mathematics, emotions, future planning, etc. which all inevitably maps back to the physical universe we live in - that's to say, all these so-called "immaterial" things are generated or manifest in physical things.The scientific method works within the proper domain of science, that being the physical universe. Yes, it requires rational creatures (humans) using mathematics; these (reason, mathematics, and consciousness) are not material but, rather, spiritual. The flaw is in claiming that all that exists is material when there are clearly other things non-material that exist, and; these are required to do science.
Rather than putting words in my mouth please refer to my posts on the rest of the thread.so you don't understand it either, therefore it can't be true? Please refer to my assessment of @FormerAtheist 's fallacies, in particular, note all the relevant scientists in all the relevant fields of science not having a problem with it despite coming from the widest background of faiths, or lack thereof....
Scientists don't think math exists?Yes, it requires rational creatures (humans) using mathematics; these (reason, mathematics, and consciousness) are not material but, rather, spiritual. The flaw is in claiming that all that exists is material when there are clearly other things non-material that exist, and; these are required to do science.
Thank you, but your response is ambiguous and so my question remains, which love are you referring to? You appear to be excluding éros and storgē, but it is not clear. Cheers.Im familiar with agape and philia, which in my opinion are interchangeable, as they are seen in scripture.
I dont read greek. Ive never heard of storge before now. Show me a scripture that uses that word.Thank you, but your response is ambiguous and so my question remains, which love are you referring to? You appear to be excluding
éros and storgē, but it is not clear. Cheers.
Well, likewise, I never got past Latin, but when speaking of "love" in a philosophical, or religious sense, the Greek distinctions are often invoked. "Love" is a rather vague concept, with a diverse range of meanings. The Greek words are a useful short hand to make necessary distinctions.I dont read greek. Ive never heard of storge before now.
Based on your comments here you appear to be excluding agápe. It is not dependent upon how others treat us. The same would be true, in at least some instance, of storgē. And is sexual love spiritual? Some would likely disagree.Love is more than an emotion. Its a way of life. We treat others the way we want treated, thats love
Agape and Philia are used interchangeably by different authors of scripture. When teaching the same story, different gospel authors use different words. One may use the word Philia while another may use agape.Well, likewise, I never got past Latin, but when speaking of "love" in a philosophical, or religious sense, the Greek distinctions are often invoked. "Love" is a rather vague concept, with a diverse range of meanings. The Greek words are a useful short hand to make necessary distinctions.
éros: romantic, or sexual love
philía: sometimes, translated as "brotherly love" - a comaradely love for ones fellows.
storgē: love of parents, children, close relatives, arising instinctively.
agápe: a universal, unconditional, all-embracing love.
As you will see, I don't view agápe, or philía as being interchangeable.
I am reasonably sure that all four are not just Greek terms, but terms that arose from the Greek Christian communities, so it may be worth your while to look into them a little more closely.
Based on your comments here you appear to be excluding agápe. It is not dependent upon how others treat us. The same would be true, in at least some instance, of storgē. And is sexual love spiritual? Some would likely disagree.
Wait, What?? So not sure what "words" I put in your mouth, but did you or didn't you say...:Rather than putting words in my mouth please refer to my posts on the rest of the thread.
I read your post. The experience of reading it was tremendously different than the self described hype you gave it. If I was the OP I'm not sure I would even bother responding to it.
... which is both a stand-alone statement not requiring context, and you literally committing an "Argument from Incredulity" fallacy - comparable to the statement I likened it to - would you disagree?There just isn't enough to carry me over the extreme improbability that all existence came about naturally. It's too big of a pill to swallow unless it's medication.
Good philosophy, I guess, but I'd be more inclined to call that fairness and reciprocation - both are great for societal health, no matter what you call it...Love is more than an emotion. Its a way of life. We treat others the way we want treated, thats love.
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