The Schumer Shutdown

[Aldebaran]

So because we can only provide half a plate instead of a full plate people should starve until such a time as they are REALLY hungry? Talk about the perfect being the enemy of the good.

Why not the full plate? Aren't 42,000,000 poor people worth it?
Tell your Senators to vote "yes" on the CR bill to re-open the government.

 

[Aldebaran]

Aah, yes. So let's let you starve right away by choice. Aah, I can smell the Christian compassion in the air.

You're be smelling something else if you'd turn a nose toward all those "no" votes the democrats keep casting that denies SNAP funding, and also to all the federal workers who have to work for no pay and end up going to food banks in order to eat.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not sure if that's true, but 30 days of food is better than purposely denying them anything as the Trump admin wants to do.

Suppose they get that. Then which group will be used as leverage by the democrats to keep the government closed? Will it be airline passengers who die in a plane crash due to too few air traffic controllers on the job? Would that be some nice leverage they'd be willing to use to demonize Trump with?

 

[mark46]

Suppose they get that. Then which group will be used as leverage by the democrats to keep the government closed? Will it be airline passengers who die in a plane crash due to too few air traffic controllers on the job? Would that be some nice leverage they'd be willing to use to demonize Trump with?

normal nonsense
If not enough airport workers want to work, then the number of flights will be reduce.

 

[camille70]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/06/donald-trump-lame-duck-00639349

One Republican already liberated from reelection concerns openly vocalized frustrations Wednesday as Trump pushed for the end of the filibuster — something many in the GOP fear would backfire soon enough once Democrats regain power.

Retiring Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) called Democrats’ victory margins Tuesday “a red flag to the GOP” and blasted Trump’s refusal to engage with the other party.

“He has zero ability to work across the aisle,” he added. “He needs to face reality and learn how to talk to Democrats he can reason with.”

Other House Republicans more quietly aired frustration with Trump’s approach to the record 37-day shutdown, which headed into the end of the congressional workweek with no clear end in sight.

Many are privately signaling they’re prepared to break with Trump if he doesn’t allow Republicans to negotiate on an extension of the Obamacare insurance subsidies Democrats are demanding. Others blamed the president and his top budget aide, Russ Vought, for favoring hardball moves such as canceling blue-state transportation projects and firing federal employees that only served to cause Democrats to dig in further.

One irate senior House Republican granted anonymity to speak candidly blamed Trump and Vought for spurring the shutdown with their unprecedented move to unilaterally rescind congressional funding over the summer through a so-called pocket rescission.

“That decision is why we’re in this mess,” the Republican said.

Democrats who on Wednesday finally found a bounce in their step after a year of infighting said it was no secret why Republicans were finally standing up to Trump over the filibuster after folding so many times before.

“Last night’s results look like a recipe for them to lose the House and the Senate next fall,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). “And they’re going to hand us a 50-vote majority gift-wrapped when we show up Day 1?”

 

[Say it aint so]

Suppose they get that. Then which group will be used as leverage by the democrats to keep the government closed? Will it be airline passengers who die in a plane crash due to too few air traffic controllers on the job? Would that be some nice leverage they'd be willing to use to demonize Trump with?

Before we move the goal post from (X) to --------------> (X) coupled with something non germane. Can we both agree that there is backup money there. Trump et al knows it's there. But are reluctant to execute the law as they are suppose to do.

 

[camille70]

Offer to open the govt.

Sen Warnock vid

https://x.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/1986936233839219035

Sen Schumer vid

https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1986884460671914148?s=20

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Retiring Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) called Democrats’ victory margins Tuesday “a red flag to the GOP” and blasted Trump’s refusal to engage with the other party.

Trump could end the shutdown tomorrow. Such poor leadership is tragic.

 

[mark46]

Trump could end the shutdown tomorrow. Such poor leadership is tragic.

Yes, he could succumb to blackmail by a minority, have the bill changed and force the House and Senate to pass the new bill.

Schumer could simply vote to continue the government. Democrats want to use blackmail to change legislation.

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

Schumer offers plan to end government shutdown:

• Proposes that Democrats would vote to reopen the government if the funding measure (a continuing resolution or appropriations bill) included a one-year extension of the tax credits under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that help lower insurance premiums.
  
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• Proposes the creation of a bipartisan committee to negotiate longer-term healthcare reform (particularly on the ACA subsidies) after the government re-opens—thus splitting the matters into (a) re-open government now and (b) deal with broader policy later.
  
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• Frames the one-year extension not as a policy change but as extending current law for a year (thus his term “just say yes”) to give working families certainty.
  
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• Schumer argues this approach respects the Republican position that healthcare policy negotiations should not be entangled in re-opening. (He tried to structure the proposal so re-opening and extension happen simultaneously, then policy talk follows.)

Of course. Extend tax credits to avoid impact on mid-terms.

The enhanced ACA subsidies have substantially lowered premiums for middle-income earners and eliminated the “subsidy cliff.” If these lapse in 2025, roughly 14 million people could see premium hikes averaging hundreds of dollars per month. That would dominate headlines in 2026—right when Democrats are defending a difficult Senate map. By proposing the one-year extension now, Schumer casts Democrats as protecting families’ pocketbooks while Republicans “hold the government hostage”—an election-year framing advantage.

 

[Aldebaran]

normal nonsense
If not enough airport workers want to work, then the number of flights will be reduce.

So then it's increasingly larger numbers of passengers who end up stranded at airports.
Remember, it only takes about 5 Democrats to vote yes to put a stop to all this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Before we move the goal post from (X) to --------------> (X) coupled with something non germane. Can we both agree that their is backup money there. Trump et al knows it's there. But are reluctant to execute the law as they are suppose to do.

None of which makes it a good idea for the Democrats to keep the government closed and keep people suffering.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump could end the shutdown tomorrow. Such poor leadership is tragic.

Trump is not a US senator.
You don't want him to suddenly become a king, do you? That's the only way he could simply end the shutdown tomorrow. Ending the shutdown requires 5 Democrat votes, something that seems about as likely as pigs flying at this point.

 

[Say it aint so]

None of which makes it a good idea for the Democrats to keep the government closed and keep people suffering.

I guess you can't.

 

[Aldebaran]

I guess you can't.

Then you tell me in your own opinion--how many federal workers should go without paychecks, and for how long? How many flights need to be cancelled due to the shutdown making it more dangerous to fly? How many people is it worth going hungry?
All just to give the democrats some political leverage?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Trump is not a US senator.
You don't want him to suddenly become a king, do you? That's the only way he could simply end the shutdown tomorrow. Ending the shutdown requires 5 Democrat votes, something that seems about as likely as pigs flying at this point.

Are you kidding? Republicans are so lock step all he has to do is say the word.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yes, he could succumb to blackmail by a minority, have the bill changed and force the House and Senate to pass the new bill.

Schumer could simply vote to continue the government. Democrats want to use blackmail to change legislation.

They want to negotiate . It is the American way, or used to be.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Then you tell me in your own opinion--how many federal workers should go without paychecks, and for how long? How many flights need to be cancelled due to the shutdown making it more dangerous to fly? How many people is it worth going hungry?
All just to give the democrats some political leverage?

It is not about “political leverage”. It is about healthcare for those who most need it.

 

[Say it aint so]

Then you tell me in your own opinion--how many federal workers should go without paychecks, and for how long? How many flights need to be cancelled due to the shutdown making it more dangerous to fly? How many people is it worth going hungry?
All just to give the democrats some political leverage?

Answer my question first and then I will be more than happy to opine.

 

[mark46]

So then it's increasingly larger numbers of passengers who end up stranded at airports.
Remember, it only takes about 5 Democrats to vote yes to put a stop to all this.

why?

Media checked during the weekend. There weren't huge lines. Folks simply need to check schedules before coming to the airports. There are simply fewer flights available. And yes, this is indeed a hardship but not the one you suggest.

It is bad weather that could cause delays with fewer airport personnel.