The Schumer Shutdown

[GoldenBoy89]

At the expense of the taxpayers. No wonder Schumer sees it as nothing more than a bargaining chip--as long as the MSM paints the narrative that it's anyone other than Schumer and his friends who caused the shutdown.

That’s all it was last time when Trump was using the shutdown to secure funding for his wall he never built.

Shutdowns aren't a cut. They're an expense. Remember, it cost us $11 billion in 2019 when Schumer thought government workers were bargaining chips last time.

That’s was Trump’s shutdown. He even took credit for it and said he’s “proud to shutdown the government” to get what he wanted at the time which, he never got.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/trump-border-wall-congress-budget-1055433

I’m willing to bet you were one of those cheering him on at the time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'm glad to finally see an admission that Schumer and his friends are using a shutdown as a bargaining chip.

They've been asking for negotiations for weeks. It's not like they want or proposed a shutdown, but a shutdown appears to be what it takes to get the GOP to come to the table.

 

[Aldebaran]

That’s all it was last time when Trump was using the shutdown to secure funding for his wall he never built.

Looks like the MSM narrative worked on some people.

That’s was Trump’s shutdown. He even took credit for it and said he’s “proud to shutdown the government” to get what he wanted at the time which, he never got.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/trump-border-wall-congress-budget-1055433

I’m willing to bet you were one of those cheering him on at the time.

I didn't know this was about me.

 

[Aldebaran]

They've been asking for negotiations for weeks. It's not like they want or proposed a shutdown, but a shutdown appears to be what it takes to get the GOP to come to the table.

Schumer says he will not support 7- or 10-day stopgap to avoid shutdown

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) said he would not support a weeklong or 10-day government funding measure to avoid a government shutdown on Wednesday and buy more time to negotiate with President Trump and GOP leaders. Schumer said he felt that Monday’s meeting with Trump at the...

www.yahoo.com

Schumer says he will not support 7- or 10-day stopgap to avoid shutdown

Negotiations.....sure. Schumer made it clear he was willing to cause suffering for Americans so he could stay in the spotlight.

 

[Vambram]

This is the prior text that the proposed change would revert to. Perhaps you can explain how this would mean that illegal aliens would be able to get healthcare:

https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title19/1903.htm

As I see it, the additions made by the BBB more explicitly define who can receive care, but the existing text still makes it clear that only people in the country legally are eligible for benefits.

Fed audit, emergency Medicaid undercut Dems on illegal immigrant health coverage

Federal government shutdown debate intensifies as politicians clash over Medicaid eligibility for illegal immigrants despite California federal audit findings.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I didn't know this was about me.

It’s not about you. Why are you ignoring the bulk of my post where I point out your guy was “proud to shutdown the government” last time?

Was that not a bargaining chip to get funding for his wall? Did that not cost the taxpayers billions of dollars?

Every complaint from the right about this current shutdown can be flipped on its head when we just look at the last time our government couldn’t pass a funding bill.

So spare me your crocodile tears, please.

 

[Aldebaran]

It’s not about you. Why are you ignoring the bulk of my post where I point out your guy was “proud to shutdown the government” last time?

Was that not a bargaining chip to get funding for his wall? Did that not cost the taxpayers billions of dollars?

Every complaint from the right about this current shutdown can be flipped on its head when we just look at the last time our government couldn’t pass a funding bill.

So spare me your crocodile tears, please.

The last time the government shut down didn't require only 7 democrats to decide to keep it open. That's all it would take, but they're falling in line behind Schumer to do whatever he wants. Hence, the Schumer shutdown.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The last time the government shut down didn't require only 7 democrats to decide to keep it open. That's all it would take, but they're falling in line behind Schumer to do whatever he wants. Hence, the Schumer shutdown.

The last time it only took the president backing down, which he eventually did. We’ll see if Schumer is stronger willed than Trump was but I wouldn’t count on it.

 

[Aldebaran]

The last time it only took the president backing down, which he eventually did. We’ll see if Schumer is stronger willed than Trump was but I wouldn’t count on it.

So all Schumer has to do is be weak-willed, and then 750,000 government workers will start being paid again? Sounds like an easy enough decision to make if Schumer cares as much about people as he's claimed to in the past.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

So all Schumer has to do is be weak-willed, and then 750,000 government workers will start being paid again? Sounds like an easy enough decision to make if Schumer cares as much about people as he's claimed to in the past.

Yes well, we’ll see.

 

[NxNW]

Clearly, the Senate still has their rules in effect where the Senate needs to have 60 affirmative votes to advance a bill into law.

It shouldn't be hard for The Great Dealmaker to put forth a big beautiful budget!

 

[Aldebaran]

It shouldn't be hard for The Great Dealmaker to put forth a big beautiful budget!

Would you like for him to use a "nuclear option" to simply require only a simple majority for the bill to pass so that the minority dems won't be able to shut down the government anymore?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Fed audit, emergency Medicaid undercut Dems on illegal immigrant health coverage

Federal government shutdown debate intensifies as politicians clash over Medicaid eligibility for illegal immigrants despite California federal audit findings.

www.foxnews.com

Are you capable of formulating your own arguments, or are you just going to link Fox News articles?

That article, incidentally, doesn't say what you think it says (or, at least, it doesn't relate to my post - I can't tell what you actually think it says because you didn't provide any of your own thoughts). It's about state funding, and the possibility that some states might (incorrectly) request federal reimbursement for care that they grant to illegal immigrants under their state laws. Neither version of the federal law (the changes made in the BBB or the original version I linked) makes that legal.

 

[NxNW]

Would you like for him to use a "nuclear option" to simply require only a simple majority for the bill to pass so that the minority dems won't be able to shut down the government anymore?

As great dealmaker wouldn't need to go nuclear to get it done. Trump was the one who shut it down last time, and he's shutting it down this time. Dems are trying to defend citizens affected by the cuts.

 

[rambot]

What's to negotiate? The Republicans all voted to keep the government open. Democrats all voted to NOT keep it open. Now people suffer because it's shut down.

They didn't VOTE for those things; but a shutdown was the RESULT of the vote. (and they also got a couple of DEMs on their side....so even when

Well, they actually voted to save large portions of Medicare that were going to cut and adversely affect the people they represent.

When Republicans were in the minority, they were blamed for shutdowns.

They were? When was that? 2018-19?

Now it's dems in the minority, and Republicans still get blamed for the shutdown.

If they refuse to negotiate, then yes. They can get blamed.

Is there a reason why you think Democrats should abandon the people they represent the way Republicans have, in so much as cuts to funding for social programs directly affects Republican voters.

Should Republicans negotiate with the MSM to stop the bias in their reporting?

What do you mean by MSM? Fox?

Or should they negotiate with the dems to stop relying on MSM bias and using government workers as bargaining chips, and holding the American economy hostage?

Actually, they could negotiate a better deal for Americans intead of feeling put up and insulted that they don't get their way.

 

[Aldebaran]

As great dealmaker wouldn't need to go nuclear to get it done. Trump was the one who shut it down last time, and he's shutting it down this time.

Sounds like something they'd say on The View.

Dems are trying to defend citizens affected by the cuts.

By cutting off the paychecks of 750,000 citizens (government workers) who are affected by the shutdown?
Well, if he believes it will somehow cause those employees to vote democrat in the mid-terms, good luck to him.

 

[Aldebaran]

If they refuse to negotiate, then yes. They can get blamed.

Schumer says he will not support 7- or 10-day stopgap to avoid shutdown

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) said he would not support a weeklong or 10-day government funding measure to avoid a government shutdown on Wednesday and buy more time to negotiate with President Trump and GOP leaders. Schumer said he felt that Monday’s meeting with Trump at the...

www.yahoo.com

Let's hope he realizes that soon.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

When Republicans were in the minority, they were blamed for shutdowns. Now it's dems in the minority, and Republicans still get blamed for the shutdown. Should Republicans negotiate with the MSM to stop the bias in their reporting? Or should they negotiate with the dems to stop relying on MSM bias and using government workers as bargaining chips, and holding the American economy hostage?

I blame Republicans for the shutdowns under Obama because they asked for concessions, got those concessions, and then still voted "No" on the budget. That would be like if the Republicans today put forward a funding bill that included ACA subsidy extensions and Democrats refused to vote for it. You'd be right to blame the Dems for that.

And Trump explicitly took credit for the 2019 shutdown, so I'm happy to agree with that.

 

[NxNW]

By cutting off the paychecks of 750,000 citizens (government workers) who are affected by the shutdown?

Trump's in charge of the entire government. Everything that happens is on him.

Everything.

Well, if he believes it will somehow cause those employees to vote democrat in the mid-terms, good luck to him.

If he succeeds in saving access to health care that the GOP wants to take away, yes.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump's in charge of the entire government. Everything that happens is on him.

Everything.

Wow! Then why was it Schumer and his friends who cast the deciding votes that shut down the government?

If he succeeds in saving access to health care that the GOP wants to take away, yes.

How could Schumer do that if Trump is "in charge of the entire government"? Is Trump in charge of Schumer too?