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Trump, “Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated.”

Well, maybe some people knew.. like almost everyone but the stable genius.
The great hoax ..... so complex that no one can grasp it, and it is impossible to change it for good.

Treating symptoms in order to increase problems is not helpful nor healing with almost no exceptions.

The methods of healing that were once known were made federal law illegal and difficult if not impossible for people to 'legally' be healed. On purpose, wicked sinful men designed the system for profit and for control.
 
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Pretend that the bit about crime was an ill conceived interrogative. Can you comment on the rest of my post?
Ok. Well, people lose their jobs all the time. It just happens, and unless a person has tenure or is under a contract for a certain period, it is always "at-will" employment. Both the employer and employee understand that when someone is hired.
 
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You can't understand our current healthcare system without understanding our past. There have been times in the past where people have proposed universal healthcare, and each time opposition from those who didn't want EVERYONE to have healthcare prevailed.

Today they are screaming about immigrants getting something they dont "deserve", in the past it was Black people.

Its not like the need has not been known or studied. When slaves were first freed there were many malnourished, with wounds and untreated injuries. There was a Freedmans Bureau established which tried to assist with health care. In fact, today's Howard University Hospital has its origins there. Black people were not allowed to get care at existing (white) hospitals so there were schools and hospitals set up to educate and serve Black people. Our hospitals have only been desegregated since the mid to late 60s, and it's only because they could not get Medicare funding if they didn't accept Black patients.

There have been dozens of studies showing universal health care would reduce health disparities between Black and White Americans. Not everyone wants that.

If it were a straightforward good faith effort to help all Americans, then it would make sense to follow the lead of other countries. However, our issue has a racial undercurrent to it, plus the profit aspect that trumps logic.
 
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There have been dozens of studies showing universal health care would reduce health disparities between Black and White Americans. Not everyone wants that.
That is just sad. But it's dressed up in alt-right economic 'logic' - so that anyone fighting for universal access to healthcare is a "Communist!" Reds under the bed, and all that. It's still in the culture.

My client & friend John Dickson runs one of the larger Christian apologetics podcasts called "Undeceptions". In his episode called "American Evangelicals" he described a seminar he was at where some guy in the crowd said "You're from Australia - don't you guys have SOCIALIST medicine? How can you support that as a Christian!?"

John isn't sure how he answered - but he told the podcast he just though of Australian healthcare as globally fairly normal.

It's America's healthcare that is the global anomaly.


If it were a straightforward good faith effort to help all Americans, then it would make sense to follow the lead of other countries.
Imagine. The OECD average is everyone covered at half the cost.

1. Medicare as single payer.
2. Over half the hospitals government owned and operated.
3. A Federal tender for meds and equipment with economies of scale to drive down the per-unit price.

That's it!

However, our issue has a racial undercurrent to it, plus the profit aspect that trumps logic.
Must be!
Oh - and don't forget the lobbying power of big health insurance and private hospital corporations - and big pharma! Ouch.
 
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Education Department wipes out special ed office in shutdown layoffs, union says

The agency cut nearly everyone who works to administer federal funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, one staffer said.


An Education Department staffer told USA TODAY the agency laid off just about every employee who works to administer funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, or IDEA, the primary federal law supporting students with disabilities. He was unsure how those programs will exist moving forward.
 
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It just happens,
Is this yet another thing in America which ‘just unavoidable’ and ‘just happens’ so it’s back to throwing up one’s hands and doing nothing?

It seems as if some folks are so inculcated against changed that all the awful things that happen in America are the default state of existence.

It no wonder folks turn to the social opiates to cope.
 
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Education Department wipes out special ed office in shutdown layoffs, union says

I'm so glad this trump administration is such a strong promoter of Christian values, like justice, compassion, supporting the poor and vulnerable and disabled, supporting the alien and oppressed minorities, telling the truth, investigating scientific realities like climate change and vaccines and other facts in this universe God created. It's just so wonderful to see the Christian influence hard at work!
 
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