The Sacred Name of God

[Uphill Battle]

I fail to see the issue.

if the bible says the LORD, does that mean it should be the Yahuweh? Is the THE added as well?

Personally, I call God, God.

when I call him Lord God, I mean Lord (master) God. I don't think I've ever used Lord as a NAME.

 

[torahgrandma]

I fail to see the issue.

if the bible says the LORD, does that mean it should be the Yahuweh? .

LORD with all caps is almost always YHWH in the Hebrew

You can not find YHWH pointed with vowels as Yahuweh anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. It is another guess name.

 

[Catherineanne]

I was wondering what everyone thinks is the sacred name of God? I have seen the majority of people call god by the name Yahweh or YHWH.

My question is, can anyone here prove why this is the name of God. Where does the name come from and what do the letters represent and where can we find it in scripture?

In Exodus Moses asks God his name, and God says he will not tell him, so it is perfectly clear from Scripture that man cannot know, nor use, the name of God. God uses a paraphrase instead, and calls himself "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Elsewhere he is called "He who was, and is, and is to come" or more simply, as quoted by Christ; "I am (who I am)" But none of these is his name.

What we use instead are honorifics; like calling a man 'sir' if we do not know his name. Even Yahweh is this kind of honorific, and is not God's actual name. Similarly the 99 names for Allah are the same; they are descriptors of his character or power, but not his actual name.

There is no need, therefore, for using masking such as G-d or YWH, because none of these protect the actual name, because we do not know it, and cannot know it.

Any discussion around this issue is, therefore, totally academic. It might be fun, but it is theologically pointless.

 

[BigNorsk]

The way we got to spelling names such as Jesus with a J is a story of the evolution of the English language.

You can see part of that history in the original King James translations, oops, it's not the King James it's the King Iames translation, and Jesus is Iesus and so on.

If you study it you will see how the Y and the I are related and what happened over time is the J came into being and so such words as Jesus migrated to the J as the first letter.

It's easy to say that the first letter should be a Y but that doesn't really give you the proper pronunciation either. Jesus should basically should like Hay-sous.

Anyway it's a story of the English language, and I don't believe it's right to try and make a big deal out of it. For scripture doesn't make it nearly as important as some people want to.

Just follow in the New Testament where the word YHWH was quoted from the Old Testament. They don't just copy it, or translterate it, they use the Greek word for Lord. Unless you want to say the New Testament is wrong in those places and scratch out the Greek word and insert YHWH (and some people do) I think you should take the lead from scripture and not make too big of a deal about it.

So you see the KJV translators use LORD in small caps in the Old Testament for YHWH. I think that was really ingenious, they followed the lead of the New Testament, and by making it all caps, they conveyed additional information to the reader that the word by itself would not.

Marv

 

[torahgrandma]

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Those who promote these errors are usually quick to cite that YHWH has been conspiratorially removed by the church, and replaced with the term LORD almost seven thousand times in the majority of the English versions. It should also be noted, that many of the Jewish Bibles also use the titles Lord and God, while some also use Adonay (which means Lord), HaShem (the Name), and the letters YHWH which is left untranslated. Some have alleged that this is a Jewish conspiracy to hide or eliminate the Name as well. To the best of my knowledge, none of the Jewish translations spell out the Name when YHWH is found in the Hebrew text.


Those who promote this conspiratorial concept might be interested to know that there is actually a translation code that was followed by the King James translators, as well as other moderntranslators, so that English readers can actually understand how the Hebrew is relative to the English translation. It is as follows:

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  [*] Elohiym is rendered as God[/SIZE]

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  [*] El is rendered as God [/SIZE]

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  [*] Elah is rendered as God[/SIZE]

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  [*] Eloah is rendered as God[/SIZE]

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  [*] Adonay is rendered as Lord[/SIZE]

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  [*] Adonay YHWH is rendered as Lord GOD[/SIZE]

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  [*] YHWH is rendered as LORD[/SIZE]

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  [*] YHWH Elohiym is rendered as LORD God [/SIZE]

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  [*] Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh as I AM WHO I AM[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1] I believe that much of this name confusion originated, due to the fact that English speaking people do not fully understand the meaning of the Hebrew word shem, which is often times translated as name in our English Bibles. I would like to discuss the Hebrew meaning of the word shem, found in Exodus 3:15, where God Almighty stated this:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]"This is My Name forever"[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]The word shemiy, which is from the root word shem (H8034[/SIZE])[SIZE=+1], is often translated into English as name. The word shem, has a much deeper meaning than just name in the Hebrew language. Shem can also mean likeness, authority, character, renown, report, memorial, mark, fame, rank, majesty, and a representation of who someone is.

http://www.seekgod.ca/htname.htm
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[ContentInHim]

The only problem I see is that while YHVH may be THE lord, the word lord doesn't mean anything special. Ba'al is also lord. That's not a good "category" to be in. YHVH is what he is - YHVH. It becomes a non-issue if YHVH is used just as it is written in Hebrew. Whether or how it's pronounced doesn't matter, I don't think because there's no mis-identifying either his name or his position.

 

[torahgrandma]

The only problem I see is that while YHVH may be THE lord, the word lord doesn't mean anything special. Ba'al is also lord. That's not a good "category" to be in. YHVH is what he is - YHVH. It becomes a non-issue if YHVH is used just as it is written in Hebrew. Whether or how it's pronounced doesn't matter, I don't think because there's no mis-identifying either his name or his position.

Adonay is translated as Lord in the Jewish translations. The ba'al thing is linguistic superstition, because there are two different lexical listings for ba'al. One is the god of the pagans, the other means master as well as other definitions.

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Some true name advocates have stated in their teachings, that because Ba'al means lord when translated from Hebrew to English, that if you read Lord/LORD aloud, you are actually calling on the Phoenician/Canaanite god Ba'al (H1168). It should be noted, that there is another ba'al (H1167) which is pronounced exactly the same, and is translated in some of our English Bibles as man (25 times), owner (14 times), husband (11 times), have (7 times), master (5 times) etc, and both listings of ba'al (H1167-H1168) are gendered as masculine nouns. Others state that the title God also originated from pagan sources. Using their own eisegetical assertions, and armed with a Strong's concordance, they attempt to prove this by citing verses such as Isaiah 65:11-12. They assert that since Gad (H1409), is pronounced gawd, which they say sounds similar to God, then God therefore must be a pagan name. In their errant conclusion, they have failed to recognize two important facts. First, that one of the twelve tribes was named Gad, and that it merely means fortune in Hebrew. Second, that God is a title, the English equivalent of the Hebrew El, and is not a name. It should also be noted that in the Scriptures, God did not chastise Gad for using that supposedly pagan name. They also teach that using the term Lord God, is the same as calling on Ba'al Gad (H1171).


Here are the lexical listings:


H1167
[FONT=&quot]בּעל[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ba‛al[/FONT]
BDB Definition:
1) owner, husband, lord
1a) owner
1b) a husband
1c) citizens, inhabitants
1d) rulers, lords
1e) (noun of relationship used to characterise - i.e., master of dreams)
1f) lord (used of foreign gods)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H1166
Same Word by TWOT Number: 262a

H1168
[FONT=&quot]בּעל[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ba‛al[/FONT]
BDB Definition:
Baal = “lord”
1) supreme male divinity of the Phoenicians or Canaanites (noun proper masculine)
2) a Reubenite (noun proper masculine)
3) the son of Jehiel and grandfather of Saul (noun proper masculine)
4) a town of Simeon, probably identical to Baalath-beer (noun proper locative)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: the same as H1167
Same Word by TWOT Number: 262a

 

[ContentInHim]

I see what you are saying, TorahGrandma, but even in the more benign sense, YHVH is more than a simple lord, is he not? So whether the text is referring to Ba'al as pagan god or ba'al as lord of the manor, it is still not a good descriptor of our Father. Now if the text says YHVH who is lord of our lives - I'm good with that! Better than the LORD who is lord of our lives!

 

[torahgrandma]

I see what you are saying, TorahGrandma, but even in the more benign sense, YHVH is more than a simple lord, is he not? So whether the text is referring to Ba'al as pagan god or ba'al as lord of the manor, it is still not a good descriptor of our Father. Now if the text says YHVH who is lord of our lives - I'm good with that! Better than the LORD who is lord of our lives!

I understand where you are coming from, but Lord doesn't mean ba'al anymore than Adonay does. Adonay appears in the Hebrew, and is translated as Lord.

 

[ContentInHim]

I understand where you are coming from, but Lord doesn't mean ba'al anymore than Adonay does. Adonay appears in the Hebrew, and is translated as Lord.

I know, and it's another word that I wish were transliterated right into English. What a beautiful word. I first heard it in some Christian song and fell in love with it immediately!

 

[torahgrandma]

WOW, I just realized that I am allowed to post over here and actually have dialog with out all my posts being removed because someone doesn't like the facts.....how refreshing!

 

[ContentInHim]

WOW, I just realized that I am allowed to post over here and actually have dialog with out all my posts being removed because someone doesn't like the facts.....how refreshing!

That's because you are still designated Christian, of course. This is CO not MJ!

 

[torahgrandma]

That's because you are still designated Christian, of course. This is CO not MJ!

I chose an MJ scroll icon. One of the moderators, who is unknown because they never contacted me and wouldn't even admit to it when I asked (removed thread) decided that I was Christian amd changed my icon. I find it humorous when gentile moderators try to decide who is Jewish enough to post on a forum called MJ, but is filled with gentiles trying to teach Jews about the faith they established. I will call it the MM forum from now on, meaning "Messianc Mishegas".

 

[koban4max]

I was wondering what everyone thinks is the sacred name of God? I have seen the majority of people call god by the name Yahweh or YHWH.

My question is, can anyone here prove why this is the name of God. Where does the name come from and what do the letters represent and where can we find it in scripture?

I believe that I know the answers, after being shown...but I would like to get some other scholars here to see if we are all on the same track, or if we just believe other people with out proving 'things' for ourselves!

So, Jehovah is a transliteration of ???

Joshua was taken from Yeshua, Yehoshua, as they got the Y's wrong, and often used a J in English. The Hebrew language does not have a 'J' sounding letter in it.

So, correctly, the J in Jehovah is wrong and should be a Y.

Most here will understand that,

but do you know where we prove it, because I am saying that it is not Yahweh or YHWH.

in His service
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Let's make it simple and say God is God.