The Sacramentality of Marriage

[BreadAlone]

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Hey - I realize that the concept of believing in the Word of God comes up quite often in the course of these debates..but if we could stick to the marriage topic, that'd be great!

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[Phinehas2]

Dear Polycarp1,

Phinehas: May I first reinforce the concept, which you seem to be having trouble grasping, that you are not the authority to whom the world turns for knowledge of what the Bible means.

:Let me correct you, I have cited the Bible passages to support what I know many believe, one other poster has already said amen to my last post in its entirety.
You are entitled to discuss the Bible passages cited and offer your own if you wish but I have cited the Bible passages to speak for themselves, whatever you think about what I might think.

And of course my point is that, just as you believe based on your understanding of God's will as prescribed in Scripture that marriage is between one man and one woman, so too

Not so and therefore not so too. There are many Bible passages which refer to man and woman and the ones I have cited do so. There are none that refer to man and man or woman and woman so I base my belief on what the Bible says. I also see that the Anglican Communion does so, Lambeth 1.10. and that a secondary rite or sacrament is marriage between a man and a woman. What I am saying is what almost all Christians worldwide would agree on.

.. that the nature of sacramental marriage means that no marriage is valid unless contracted in a church before clergy ordained in the apostolic succession (which your comments imply you don't understand either)

I do understand, I asked you the question to see whether what you say is Biblically based or your won ideas.. hence the question where does the NT says this is necessary?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear KCKID,

You make the male/female relationship of the Bible sound so rosy, Phinehas. 'Fraid not.

How? All I have done its cite the Biblical passages, if you think they are rosy you must have read the Bible passages.

The woman's role in the relationship was subserviant to the male.

Yes but the woman and the male are the couple. Actually you will see from 1 Cor 7 that the relationship is not to be according to the cultural conditions you seem to think. Indeed a husband’s own body belongs to the wife and vice versa.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Where does the bible say the sun revolves around the earth? Bring forth something with substance.

Joshua 10:12, for one. It is generally accepted the cosmology of the ancients was geocentric rather than heliocentric as Copernicus and Gallileo postulated.

 

[Texas Lynn]

And how does their geocentricism relate to this topic? How were they not knowledgeable on Godly morality, has it 'evolved'?

Quite obviously. They practiced slavery, slaughter, rape, war over resources, and the primacy of status among other things we reject today generally.

 

[Texas Lynn]

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Sorry, just had to clarify. When people claim to take a small portion of the Bible literally and they do not take it all literally it becomes obvious citing the Bible as an "authority" is to make it secondary to the person doing that's argument--it's strip-mining it for mercenary purposes.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Texas Lynn,
People havent claimed to take a small portion of the Bible literally, they have posted passages which you have claimed are small portions taken literally.

it becomes obvious citing the Bible as an "authority" is to make it secondary to the person doing that's argument--it's strip-mining it for mercenary purposes.

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus Christ. The NT is His testimony and He is the truth. What people say can be judged against this truth. That is why it is worth citing and quoting the Bible passages which are the truth.
What usually happens however is people claim the passages saying what they dont like are somehow not saying what they literally say under a pretext of 'literal'
As we have seen our God of love isnt seen as loving by all but hateful by some.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Dear Texas Lynn,
People havent claimed to take a small portion of the Bible literally, they have posted passages which you have claimed are small portions taken literally.

If they don't say the sun revolves around the earth and we need to avoid wearing mixed fabrics and can sell our daughters into slavery then my point stands proven. Thank you.

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus Christ. The NT is His testimony and He is the truth. What people say can be judged against this truth. That is why it is worth citing and quoting the Bible passages which are the truth.
What usually happens however is people claim the passages saying what they dont like are somehow not saying what they literally say under a pretext of 'literal'

Which supports my point greatly. Thank you.

As we have seen our God of love isnt seen as loving by all but hateful by some.

Not if what is described is truly a "God of Love".

 

[BreadAlone]

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