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The "double meanings" of the Sabbaths given to the Lord's namesake nation belong to all in Adam; to"whosoever will" be born again.
Only to the namesake nation is the seventh day Sabbath and the Sabbaths of His "Appointd Seasons" given, as signs of the heavenly truths: for they who bear His name; "Israel", as a sign of the adoption to come, in His Name -when He came in flesh of second human being creation- were given the Oracles which taught the heavenly truths.
Job 11:6; "...the secrets of wisdom, ...[are]...double to that which is.."
We who are born again by His Spirit are in His eternal Sabbath Peace of finished works and cease our own "labors" when we enter into His "Rest".
It would seem odd that a Born again Believer in Christ would not take special joy in the seventh Day Sabbath as the Sign, because they understood the sign, even though they were in His Rest.
We who are not of Jacob's seed who are born again have all manner of special days which are not ordained by God in His Word for any reason to observe, yet we do; so to the Jew who would "hold a day above another" for themselves but who do not Judaise we Gentiles there is the command to not judge another one's servant -and vice versa.
Only to the namesake nation is the seventh day Sabbath and the Sabbaths of His "Appointd Seasons" given, as signs of the heavenly truths: for they who bear His name; "Israel", as a sign of the adoption to come, in His Name -when He came in flesh of second human being creation- were given the Oracles which taught the heavenly truths.
Job 11:6; "...the secrets of wisdom, ...[are]...double to that which is.."
We who are born again by His Spirit are in His eternal Sabbath Peace of finished works and cease our own "labors" when we enter into His "Rest".
It would seem odd that a Born again Believer in Christ would not take special joy in the seventh Day Sabbath as the Sign, because they understood the sign, even though they were in His Rest.
We who are not of Jacob's seed who are born again have all manner of special days which are not ordained by God in His Word for any reason to observe, yet we do; so to the Jew who would "hold a day above another" for themselves but who do not Judaise we Gentiles there is the command to not judge another one's servant -and vice versa.
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growingupinhim (post #4) said
the question is when did the sunday obsevanc e start..after the bible was written
Not meaning to be unkind, but this just isnt so!
Heading in this direction, please note that only the Jews were given the sabbath day to observe. The Sabbath was a sign (Ex. 31:13) between God and Israel.
This covenant (the covenant referred to as old ei. Hebrews 8:13), that was given only to the Jews (cf. Romans 3:2, 28-29) became obsolete (Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:7) after the cross (Hebrews 8:6).
There is a new covenant (Hebrews 9:18), that followers of Christ are to minister under today (2 Corinthians 3:6, Romans 7:4).
This covenant does NOT contain a sabbath day.
Christians do NOT have a day of rest.
The Sunday factor
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1 Jesus arose upon the first day of the week .
Acts 2 Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16).
Acts 2 The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved.
Acts 20:7 The early church met on the first day of the week for communion.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week .
If Sunday is the first day of the week and it is
then the only conclusion I can make is that Sunday is significant!
Sunday is the day of significance for Christians today.
Scripture shows this to be certain.
the question is when did the sunday obsevanc e start..after the bible was written
Not meaning to be unkind, but this just isnt so!
Heading in this direction, please note that only the Jews were given the sabbath day to observe. The Sabbath was a sign (Ex. 31:13) between God and Israel.
This covenant (the covenant referred to as old ei. Hebrews 8:13), that was given only to the Jews (cf. Romans 3:2, 28-29) became obsolete (Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:7) after the cross (Hebrews 8:6).
There is a new covenant (Hebrews 9:18), that followers of Christ are to minister under today (2 Corinthians 3:6, Romans 7:4).
This covenant does NOT contain a sabbath day.
Christians do NOT have a day of rest.
The Sunday factor
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1 Jesus arose upon the first day of the week .
Acts 2 Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16).
Acts 2 The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved.
Acts 20:7 The early church met on the first day of the week for communion.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week .
If Sunday is the first day of the week and it is
then the only conclusion I can make is that Sunday is significant!
Sunday is the day of significance for Christians today.
Scripture shows this to be certain.
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Good points, Apollos.
However, just because Sunday is significant, does not make it a Sabbath.
It is sheer co-incidence that Yeshua rose on the 1st day of the week. He was sacrificed on Passover. The next day was a Sabbath. The next working day was the 1st day of the next week. The day we call "Sunday".
Sunday is, because of tradition, a convenient day for many people to gather, whether that be for football, Church or golf.
It cannot be Sabbath as Sabbath, by definition, must be the 7th day of the week. Until Sunday becomes the 7th day of the week, it will not be a Sabbath. That is not to undermine its significance for the vast majority of Christians.
However there is a danger of tradition becoming more important than the Bible.
However, just because Sunday is significant, does not make it a Sabbath.
It is sheer co-incidence that Yeshua rose on the 1st day of the week. He was sacrificed on Passover. The next day was a Sabbath. The next working day was the 1st day of the next week. The day we call "Sunday".
Sunday is, because of tradition, a convenient day for many people to gather, whether that be for football, Church or golf.
It cannot be Sabbath as Sabbath, by definition, must be the 7th day of the week. Until Sunday becomes the 7th day of the week, it will not be a Sabbath. That is not to undermine its significance for the vast majority of Christians.
However there is a danger of tradition becoming more important than the Bible.
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Oh good another Sabbath thread! Does anyone know the name of the day that follows Friday in Spanish?
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A little study might be in order.
In both those verses, the greek word for first is mia, and means "one or first."
Also in both those verses the greek word translated "week" in most (but not all) english translations is "sabbaton." This is the Hebrew word meaning "the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself)."
Why it's translated as "week" in most english translations has to do with church tradition rather than good scholarship.
Emperor Constantine, also taking upon himself the title of "Bishop of the Catholic Church" issued the following decree"
"On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time)." - Schaff's 'History of the Christian Church' vol.III ch. 75.
In his comments on this decree, Dr. Schaff makes note that Constantine used the "old astrological and heathen title Dies Solis (Day of the Sun), familiar to all his subjects, so the law was as applicable to the worshippers of Hercules, Apollo, and Mithras, as to Christians." Ibid Vol. VIII, chap. 75, par. 5.
Then in AD 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote the following:
"All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it."
A few years later in AD 364, the Council of Laodicea issued this decree:
"Christians shall not Judaise and be idle on the Sabbath (the seventh day), but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (the first day) they shall specially honour, and as being Christians, shall if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they be found Judaising, they shall be accursed from Christ."
Finally in AD 1562 at the Council of Trent, the Archbishop of Reggio said the following:
"The authority of the Church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed . . . the Sabbath into Sunday, not by the command of Christ, but by its own authority." Canon and Tradition, p. 263.
Hmm....Scripture vs. Tradition. Which will you choose?
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The congregation in Colossia was keeping the Sabbath. They were being judged on how they kept it.
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en de th mia twn sabbatwn sunhgmenwn twn maqhtwn tou klasai arton o pauloV dielegeto autoiV mellwn exienai th epaurion pareteinen te ton logon mecri mesonuktiou
This is Acts 20:7 in Greek. Day was an added word by the translators.
sabbatwn is the Greek.
Strongs #4521sabbaton- The Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:--sabbath (day), week.
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Don't forget there were two Sabbath's that week.
The mia(first) Sabbath was the annual Sabbath(Passover) and the other was the weekly Sabbath.
Marc
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