THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[Timothy416]

ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and ROMANS 3:20 define what sin is. What law are these scriptures referring to?

Rom 7:7 Do not covet, James2:10&11 murder, adultery. Rom3:20 any law written in your heart and mind. Now why don't you get to the real point here. And just say, they are all part of the Ten Commandments(apart from rom3:20). Then I can respond, then you may(only may) stop evading the scriptures I placed before you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Rom 7:7 Do not covet, James2:10&11 murder, adultery. Rom3:20 any law written in your heart and mind. Now why don't you get to the real point here. And just say, they are all part of the Ten Commandments(apart from rom3:20). Then I can respond, then you may(only may) stop evading the scriptures I placed before you

So according to God's Word, SIN is breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments right?

 

[Timothy416]

So according to God's Word, SIN is breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments right?

That is not what sola scripture actually states is it. Do you not believe in sola scripture?
However, your failure to understand this subject is because of your failure to see beyond the letter itself. I have previously explained what that results in

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That is not what sola scripture actually states is it. Do you not believe in sola scripture?
However, your failure to understand this subject is because of your failure to see beyond the letter itself. I have previously explained what that results in

Let's look at sola scripture that you just agreed with. The question was asked of you what is the law being discussed in ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and ROMANS 3:20 that define what SIN is. Each one of those scriptures quote some part of God's 10 commandments as examples that make it very clear what LAW is the topic of discussion (e'g Coveting, Adultery, Murder) that defines what sin is.

So the answer to the first question is if we break anyone of God's 10 Commandments we stand before God guilty of SIN because SIN is the transgression of God's LAW.

Now it seems you want to evade the question asked of you which was; So according to God's Word, SIN is breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments right?

I know why you want to evade this question and avoide answering it. You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to. If you do not answer the question however it would be pointless to continue the discussion.

Did you wish to continue the discussion?

 

[Timothy416]

Let's look at sola scripture that you just agreed with. The question was asked of you what is the law being discussed in ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and ROMANS 3:20 that define what SIN is. Each one of those scriptures quote some part of God's 10 commandments as example to make it very clear what LAW is the topic of discussion (e'g Coveting, Adultery, Murder). Now it seems you want to evade the question asked of you which was; So according to God's Word, SIN is breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments right? I know why you want to evade this question and avoide answering it. You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to. If you do not answer the question however it would be pointless to continue the discussion.

Firstly, I am sure all can see it is you who have avoided giving me an exegesis of Rom 7:4-6. Since then I have patiently responded to everything you asked. I am afraid, all you seem able to do is deflect from responding to what is plainly asked of you, and this after asking me to put scripture before you.
Your problem here is not being able to see past the letter itself I am afraid. Hence your utter confusion and contradictions in what you write. The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is not broken in those who do not observe a set Saturday sabbath. For a new covenant has come, and those fully under it, cannot but uphold the spiritual intent of the fourth commandment severn days a week. Hence romans 14:5 And hence you have not one verse of scripture from anywhere in the new testament/covenant that states any believer must adhere to a specific seventh day sabbath. Sadly, your understanding is not where it should be

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Firstly, I am sure all can see it is you who have avoided giving me an exegesis of Rom 7:4-6.

Sorry, no. We see it is /has been/ you avoiding the point and the substance. Why? We don't know.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sorry, no. We see it is /has been/ you avoiding the point and the substance. Why? We don't know.

I know why . Because if he agrees with the scriptures quoted he has to acknowldge that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and if we KNOWINGLY break any one of GOD'S 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 *EXODUS 20:8-11 we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

 

[Timothy416]

Sorry, no. We see it is /has been/ you avoiding the point and the substance. Why? We don't know.

That is a substantial post isn't it, but an improvement on just clicking the prayer icon

 

[Timothy416]

This is the problem with those who cannot see past the letter itself. We have the Pharisees of Jesus day as an example of this. And sadly, all too often it is the same today. However, such people always have the internet

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is the problem with those who cannot see past the letter itself. We have the Pharisees of Jesus day as an example of this. And sadly, all too often it is the same today.

How can you know the Spirit if you do not know the letter when the Spirit works through the letter in those who BELIEVE it?

 

[Timothy416]

How can you know the Spirit if you do not know the letter when the Spirit works through the letter in those who BELIEVE it?

You may need the letter of what is written concerning the law, I have the law in my heart and mind God wants me to follow, for I have been born again of the Spirit who placed it there

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You may need the letter of what is written concerning the law, I have the law in my heart and mind God wants me to follow, for I have been born again of the Spirit who placed it there

No one has God's Spirit without having the letter where the Spirit lives in those who have faith JOHN 17:17; JOHN 6:63; ROMANS 10:17.

 

[Timothy416]

No one has God's Spirit without having the letter where the Spirit lives in those who have faith.

So one must read the bible before they can become a Christian? For the Spirit dwells in all believers

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know why . Because if he agrees with the scriptures quoted he has to acknowldge that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and if we KNOWINGLY break any one of GOD'S 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 *EXODUS 20:8-11 we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

Yahweh Gives Ekklesia Rest (&/Sleep).

I suggest a time of rest from this seemingly fruitless thread.

If any good seed has been planted in good soil, and watered, then God may give growth as He Pleases,

as He Says in His Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So one must read the bible before they can become a Christian? For the Spirit dwells in all believers

Nope but they need to hear the WORD of GOD in order to have faith in it *ROMANS 10:17

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yahweh Gives Ekklesia Rest (&/Sleep).

I suggest a time of rest from this seemingly fruitless thread.

If any good seed has been planted in good soil, and watered, then God may give growth as He Pleases,

as He Says in His Word.

Yes I have to do now to do some other things. NICE talking to you brother.

 

[Timothy416]

Nope but they need to hear the WORD of GOD in order to have faith in it *ROMANS 10:17

But you, alongside your church accept as believers/Christians people who in your view do not obey God's word.

Now I wonder if you can bring yourself to do an exegesis of rom 7:4-6, or whether everyone reading this thread will see you could not do so

 

[LoveGodsWord]

@Timothy416 Nice talking to you my friend. We will have to chat more latter bb for now

Happy to talk ROMANS 7:6 with you now that we have defined what sin is according to God's WORD which is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments. In fact I think it would be good to include all the context and go through ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 to get the big picture.

 

[Timothy416]

@Timothy416 Nice talking to you my friend. We will have to chat more latter bb for now 1

Happy to talk ROMANS 7:6 with you now that we havwe defined what sin is according to God's WORD which is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments.

Well you and I have a fundamental difference concerning the fourth one, you are stuck in the letter of it, and are unable to see the spiritual intent of it, that is upheld in born again believers every day of the week, including Saturday!!

Why keep only mentioning verse six? Are verses 4&5 too hard for you to explain?

 

[Timothy416]

It is very strange, that some believe sin is the transgression of the letter of the ten commandments, and anyone who knowingly breaks that letter without repentance is a liar and child of the devil, they cannot be saved because they do not follow Gods word. And yet, sda members, alongside their church accept as Christians people who they believe constantly, without repentance break the ten commandments, while at the same time believing they understand biblical truth others do not understand. Personally, I do not understand such truth. Truth that states a liar and child of the devil cannot be a Christian, but at the same time they can.
Oh well