THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[Timothy416]

So you did not answer the question what is sin?

I did. Transgressing applicable law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did. Transgressing applicable law.

What do you mean by applicable law?

 

[Timothy416]

So you did not answer the question what is sin?

Transgressing applicable law. Which includes sin on the inside that no one can see. You can sin in thought. So according to you, anyone who sins in thought cannot be saved, yes?


Comment on the whole post, don't ignore it

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Transgressing applicable law. Which includes sin on the inside that no one can see. You can sin in thought. So according to you, anyone who sins in thought cannot be saved, yes? Comment on the whole post, don't ignore it

You do not know what sin is do you.

 

[Timothy416]

What do you mean by applicable law?

You do not believe all OT law is applicable under the new covenant do you. Therefore some is applicable and some is not. But if you want to continue this, address the point made. If you ignore what I write, I will ignore what you write. You can sin in thought. Can you be saved if you sin in thought?

 

[Timothy416]

You do not know what sin is do you.

I just told you. You believe sin is the transgression of the law. But not all the OT law, only applicable law under the new covenant

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You do not believe all OT law is applicable under the new covenant do you. Therefore some is applicable and some is not. But if you want to continue this, address the point made. If you ignore what I write, I will ignore what you write. You can sin in thought. Can you be saved if you sin in thought?

I have not ignored what you write. I address all your posts. You do however ignore what I write and the scriptures I share with you.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hello all,

This thread is for friendly discussion only. So please be nice here.

The challenge I am putting up here is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...






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Hi and here is what Paul says in 2 Cor 3:13-15 !!

Verse 13 reads , And not even as Moses ( WHO ) was placing a covering upon his face , for the children of Israel not ro GAZE towards the END of that being ABOLISHED <

Verse 14 tells us that what was being ABOLISHED is the OLD COVENANT and this means 613 Laws and the 10 commandments that govern Israel !!

Check Isa 6 and Luke 13:6-9 and Matt 3:10 and many other verses !!

One verb in verse 13 is STEDFASTLY / ATENIZO is in the Greek AOTIST TENSE or what means the Past tense and this TENSE points back to Mt Sinai where the setting aside began !!

dan p

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I just told you. You believe sin is the transgression of the law. But not all the OT law, only applicable law under the new covenant

You still did not answer my question. I asked you what you believe sin is.

 

[Timothy416]

You still did not answer my question. I asked you what you believe sin is.

I have twice answered you, I will not a third time!! I notice, that after proclaiming you cannot sin knowingly and be saved, if sin continues, you refuse to respond as to whether someone can be a Christian if they sin in thought. Kinda proves what I have previously stated

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Brother DAN nice to meet you here and thanks for your thoughts. Some comments provided below for your consideration.

Verse 14 tells us that what was being ABOLISHED is the OLD COVENANT and this means 613 Laws and the 10 commandments that govern Israel !!
dan p

Where does v14 say God's 10 commandments have been ABOLISHED? The scriptures are talking about the two COVENANTS (OLD AND NEW)

Your mixing up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in * ROMANS 11:13-27.

Thanks for sharing brother.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Timothy416]

I have not ignored what you write. I address all your posts. You do however ignore what I write and the scriptures I share with you.

Really?

You state only those who follow God's word can be saved/Christians/your brothers and sisters.
And yet, you alongside your church consider people saved/Christians/your brothers and sisters who you believe do not follow God's word.

You cannot obviously address this truth, just evade it and continually state you have answered all of my questions which you have not.
You do not seem to hold the law in that high regard in reality do you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have twice answered you, I will not a third time!! I notice, that after proclaiming you cannot sin knowingly and be saved, if sin continues, you refuse to respond as to whether someone can be a Christian if they sin in thought. Kinda proves what I have previously stated

No you didn't. If you do not wish to answer the question just say so.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Really?

You state only those who follow God's word can be saved/Christians/your brothers and sisters.
And yet, you alongside your church consider people saved/Christians/your brothers and sisters who you believe do not follow God's word.

You cannot obviously address this truth, just evade it and continually state you have answered all of my questions which you have not.
You do not seem to hold the law in that high regard in reality do you

You repeating yourself again to something that was addressed earlier with God's WORD. Here is the repost not so much for you but for anyone that may be following..

The confusion is on your side. I believe God's WORD.

God's people are in every Church. These are those who are living up to all the truth in God's WORD that God has revealed to them. In times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth by CONTINUING in his WORD *JOHN 8:31.

Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30. If we reject God's WORD then we are no longer BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God because we are still in our sins. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's people are in every Church. God's is calling all his people where ever they may be to COME OUT of following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God to worship GOD in SPIRIT and in truth. *JOHN 4:23-24

In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31.

IF ANYONE receives a KNOWLEDGE of the truth and chooses to reject it then we are no longer BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD. We only have today to hear his Voice tommorrow may be to late when our probation finishes here on earth.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hope this helps

 

[Timothy416]

No you didn't. If you do not wish to answer the question just say so.

You really should be more honest in your responses, as you say you hold obedience to the law so highly

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You really should be more honest in your responses, as you say you hold obedience to the law so highly

I am honest in my responses what does sin mean to you? (not someone else). If you do not wish to answer the question it is ok just say so.

 

[Timothy416]

You repeating yourself again to something that was addressed earlier with God's WORD. Here is the repost not so much for you but for anyone that may be following..

The confusion is on your side. I believe God's WORD.

God's people are in every Church. These are those who are living up to all the truth in God's WORD that God has revealed to them. In times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth by CONTINUING in his WORD *JOHN 8:31.

Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30. If we reject God's WORD then we are no longer BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God because we are still in our sins. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's people are in every Church. God's is calling all his people where ever they may be to COME OUT of following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God to worship GOD in SPIRIT and in truth. *JOHN 4:23-24

In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31.

IF ANYONE receives a KNOWLEDGE of the truth and chooses to reject it then we are no longer BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD. We only have today to hear his Voice tommorrow may be to late when our probation finishes here on earth.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hope this helps

More evasion. You and your church accept people as Christians who are fully aware of what the wording of the fourth commandment states. So they cannot be said to be in ignorance of it. You are floundering badly here. It is a pity you are responding as you are, it does not help your spirituality

 

[Timothy416]

I am honest in my responses what does sin mean to you? (not someone else). If you do not wish to answer it is ok just say so.

I think we will have to leave it there, for I have twice answered you, yet you cannot see that. So we are at an impasse are we not

 

[LoveGodsWord]

More evasion. You and your church accept people as Christians who are fully aware of what the wording of the fourth commandment states. So they cannot be said to be in ignorance of it. You are floundering badly here. It is a pity you are responding as you are, it does not help your spirituality

Hmmm ok we get it God's WORD is evasion to you. You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not. I do not judge you. It is God's WORD not mine so your argument is with God not me. We all answer only to God come judgment day. Not a good place to have an argument *JOHN 12:47-48

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think we will have to leave it there, for I have twice answered you, yet you cannot see that. So we are at an impasse are we not

Like I posted earler if you do not wish to answer the question you do not need to. To many reading however I think most would agree this is a good example of the evasion and deflection you were talking about.