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The sting is breaking God's law- the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23. Through Christ He gives us another option. Not to continue in sin, but to free us through His power John 14:15-18 our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins. If we have Christ in us, He is going to change us so we can keep the least of His commandment Mat 5:19-30 if we stumble along the way we can go to Him when we are sorry 1 John 1:9 but when He heals He says go and sin no more. He wouldn't ask if it wasn't possible
 
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The sting is breaking God's law- the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23. Through Christ He gives us another option. Not to continue in sin, but to free us through His power John 14:15-18
According to scripture, who has the power of death? (Hebrews 2:14)
 
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And what do we owe Him in return? Is it not everything we are? How is ignoring the one commandment that starts with remember evidence of loving God with all our heart mind and soul?

Remember Joseph when Potipher's wife wanted to have an affair? Genesis 39: 7 ¶ And it came to pass after these things, that his master’s wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master’s wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Evidence for the 10 commandments long before Sinai.
 
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According to scripture, who has the power of death? (Hebrews 2:14)
God has the power of everything but He doesn't make our choices for us. We can choose sin which leads to death or choose obedience which leads to righteousness Rom 6:16 and reconciliation Rev 22:14
 
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God has the power of everything but He doesn't make our choices for us. We can choose sin which leads to death or choose obedience which leads to righteousness Rom 6:16 and reconciliation Rev 22:14
I'm quoting Hebrews 2:14. I'm asking you, who, according to the author of Hebrews 2:14, has the power of death. Are you able to directly answer this question, per scripture?

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Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins.

Romans 5:8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
If we have Christ in us, He is going to change us so we can keep the least of His commandment Mat 5:19-30 if we stumble along the way we can go to Him when we are sorry

There is admission of potential failure, there. That is well, because Jesus said this: Mark 10:18
18 “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good but One—God. 19 You know the commandments:

Do not murder;
do not commit adultery;
do not steal;
do not bear false witness;
do not defraud;
honor your father and mother.

Notice which standard Jesus is using to define (GOOD)?
1 John 1:9 but when He heals He says go and sin no more. He wouldn't ask if it wasn't possible
The Same John that wrote "go and sin no more", wrote this: John 16:8 When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: 9 About sin, because they do not believe in Me The Complete Jewish Bible translates verse 9 as; about sin, in that people don’t put their trust in me;

He also wrote; ;John 3:16 and quoted this: John 6:29 Jesus replied, “This is the work of God—that you believe in the One He has sent.” 1 John 1:8, which came before 9.... says in active tense... 1 John 1:8 If we say, “We have no sin,we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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Nope.

Genesis 2: 1 NOW the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The devil possessed the snake and used it to communicate with Eve.
 
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Death had not been commissioned at that point... and the wording "serpent" doesn't actually mean that the Devil appeared as a snake. It is poetry.

Hebrews 2:14 didn't take effect until here: (Gn 3:14, and the verification is Gn 3:19) The Devil is given the curse of bringing Death. (Eat Dust, We return to Dust... decay.... etc etc)
 
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In other words you don't accept really accept scripture as the inspired word of God.
 
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In other words you don't accept really accept scripture as the inspired word of God.
Not only do I accept it, but Revelation 12:9 expresses what I am trying to express, when I say that the "serpent" is a way of saying... "The Devil is a lying snake".... If I didn't have Revelation 12:9, I wouldn't be so confident about the point... but do you understand what I am saying?
 
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Nope.
 
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Saying nope is non sequitur... What I mean is.... did you read Revelation 12:9? Satan is called a Dragon, The Devil, Satan and the Serpent... all in one verse that binds him to all of those, yet is the same being. He's not God. He isn't all powerful. In Matthew 3:7, John the Baptizer calls the Pharisees A Brood of Vipers. Was that literal? Were the Pharisees a Brood of slithering snakes?
 
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So in other words you don't believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, reproof and instruction in righteousness. You believe that one passage in scripture cancels out another passage..
 
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So in other words you don't believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, reproof and instruction in righteousness. You believe that one passage in scripture cancels out another passage..
I'm not sure how you just took 1+1 and then decided that it equaled 99, but I will go ahead and suggest that you reread what I said. Apparently you are going to stand on a hill and defend the idea that the Pharisees actually were a literal brood of vipers, slithering and hissing. I can't help you with that decision.
 
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I'm quoting Hebrews 2:14. I'm asking you, who, according to the author of Hebrews 2:14, has the power of death. Are you able to directly answer this question, per scripture?

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The devil lost the power over death when Jesus went to the Cross. That said, many people believe when they meet Jesus they can continue living the way they are, but thats not the case, If someone has Christ’s righteousness they would not be living in perpetual sin. Sin comes from the devil 1 John 3:8 Jesus wants us to live holy and righteous lives. Anyone teaching we can live unrighteously and be in Christ is not being honest 1 John 3:7 1 John 2:4
 
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Okay, now explain how the Devil “lost that power”.

What was the Power behind sin?

Oh Death, where is your sting… your sting is in sin… and the power behind sin is…… ?!?
 
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Where did that come from? We were talking about Genesis 2 and Revelation 12.

Where do you think calling him the serpent came from? Genesis 2. And calling him the serpent in Revelation 12 doesn't mean Genesis 2 is poetry and meaningless. It's further verification of Genesis 2.

Besides where did the crime of murder come from if Adam and Eve hadn't already sinned?
 
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Romans 5:8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
Yes, He loved us while we were still sinners, it doesn’t mean He will save us when we continue in that path. Mat 7:21-23 Heb 10:26-30 Rev 22:15 1 John 2:4. We need to have a conversion. Christ does not want us to live unrighteousness and unholy lives.
You cut out a bunch of context from that passage. Jesus is not saying the opposite of what He said. He clearly says if you want to have eternal life, keep the commandments and quotes directly from the Ten Commandments, its not an isolated teaching see Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Rev 22:14-15 1 John 2:3-6 What Jesus is saying in v 18 is that He is God.
I suggest to read the whole context, for example in John 3:16 read past that verse down to John 3:20. There is a condemnation, for those who choose to stay in darkness (sin) instead of coming to the Truth to God’s Word (to the light). People stay in darkness because their deeds are evil and they don’t want to change. Jesus has some wonderful promises, but they are conditional. He doesn’t ask for much, but He wants us to live holy and righteous lives.
 
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