The Sabath

[Searching_for_Christ]

I'm very well aware, that threads like this probably pop up much more often than you would personally like.

I was wondering how you justify Saturday worship with this bit of scripture? Acts 20:7

I'm not looking to debate, tho I will probably discuss this with anyone willing to address it for me. Sabbath denominations have always interested me, and while if I ever was convinced of the Saturday I can't admit that I would ever become an Adventist..but more than likely a Seventh day baptist of sorts.


Pax Christi

 

[k4c]

I'm very well aware, that threads like this probably pop up much more often than you would personally like.

I was wondering how you justify Saturday worship with this bit of scripture? Acts 20:7

I'm not looking to debate, tho I will probably discuss this with anyone willing to address it for me. Sabbath denominations have always interested me, and while if I ever was convinced of the Saturday I can't admit that I would ever become an Adventist..but more than likely a Seventh day baptist of sorts.


Pax Christi

Hi Pax,

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Right away we can see the reason for the gathering was because Paul was leaving the next day, not because it was a worship service or a change of the Sabbath day.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Another important thing to understand in this verse is that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday. This gathering happened after the close of the Sabbath at sunset on Saturday, which would now make it the first day. To us it would still be Saturday because our days go from midnight to midnight but, to a Jew, the days go from sunset to sunset. Paul talked from sunset Saturday (making it the first day) until midnight. Then at sunrise, which would be Sunday morning, Paul left for his journey. He walked a long distance and then took a boat. If Sunday was now the day of worship Paul would have never journeyed all day, but instead, he would have been in church preaching.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For more on the arguments of the Sabbath go here... End-time Delusion


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[OntheDL]

I'm very well aware, that threads like this probably pop up much more often than you would personally like.

I was wondering how you justify Saturday worship with this bit of scripture? Acts 20:7

I'm not looking to debate, tho I will probably discuss this with anyone willing to address it for me. Sabbath denominations have always interested me, and while if I ever was convinced of the Saturday I can't admit that I would ever become an Adventist..but more than likely a Seventh day baptist of sorts.


Pax Christi

Hi,

The best way to understand what Act 20:7 is talking about is to go to an orthodox Jew's home after sundown on Saturday and observe what they do.

It's called the Havdalah service (just google it). The Jews get together after sundown to mark the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of a new week.

The first day of the week in Act 20:7 is still Saturday evening. The Sabbath keeping NT Christians got together for Havdalah service. They continued until midnight before Sunday of the Roman calendar. Then Paul embarked on a new mission for the new week on Sunday morning.

In Act 20:7, Sunday was in no way vindicated as the official day worship.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hi,

The best way to understand what Act 20:7 is talking about is to go to an orthodox Jew's home after sundown on Saturday and observe what they do.

It's called the Havdalah service (just google it). The Jews get together after sundown to mark the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of a new week.

Thanx for the additional info on Havdalah... never heard that before. Definitely explains the reason for their gathering after Sabbath.

 

[Cribstyl]

Hi Pax,

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Right away we can see the reason for the gathering was because Paul was leaving the next day, not because it was a worship service or a change of the Sabbath day.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Another important thing to understand in this verse is that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday. This gathering happened after the close of the Sabbath at sunset on Saturday, which would now make it the first day. To us it would still be Saturday because our days go from midnight to midnight but, to a Jew, the days go from sunset to sunset. Paul talked from sunset Saturday (making it the first day) until midnight. Then at sunrise, which would be Sunday morning, Paul left for his journey. He walked a long distance and then took a boat. If Sunday was now the day of worship Paul would have never journeyed all day, but instead, he would have been in church preaching.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For more on the arguments of the Sabbath go here... End-time Delusion


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Not so fast, What we can see right away is what the text says; they came together to "break bread." If you want to say it was just for dinner and not communion, you'd have to explain why they're ate later that night. Act 20:11


If sabbath was the day of worship why did Paul wait till after the sabbath to come together and to preach such a long sermon? Could it be that communion was never during sabbath?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Not so fast,

What we can see right away is what the text says; they came together to "break bread." If you want to say it was just for dinner and not communion, you'd have to explain why they're ate later that night. Act 20:11

Well, because, as Acts 20:7 says, they came together to break bread. Verse 7 refers to the meal in the future tense, verse 11 referrs to it in the past tense.

If sabbath was the day of worship why did Paul wait till after the sabbath to come together and to preach such a long sermon?

Because as was already pointed out, he was leaving town the next day.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

You know...I was contemplating the Ten Commandments. I thought to myself, "no one would consider the Ten Commandments to be wrong...surly they would not steal, covet, Idolate ect...but when it comes to the Sabbath command suddenly there is so many excuses why this isn't important anymore" ...it kinda bothers me.

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


The seventh day our very Lord rested on that day..He Blessed it, and made it Holy! sounds like a big thing to me. Is what the Lord made Holy, not holy anymore? is what he blessed no longer blessed? It doesn't make sense, to accept all, and reject the one.

I believe there is a scripture where Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. I really think the Sabbath is still hallowed...I need to investigate this some more.

 

[Joe67]

You know...I was contemplating the Ten Commandments. I thought to myself, "no one would consider the Ten Commandments to be wrong...surly they would not steal, covet, Idolate ect...but when it comes to the Sabbath command suddenly there is so many excuses why this isn't important anymore" ...it kinda bothers me.

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


The seventh day our very Lord rested on that day..He Blessed it, and made it Holy! sounds like a big thing to me. Is what the Lord made Holy, not holy anymore? is what he blessed no longer blessed? It doesn't make sense, to accept all, and reject the one.

I believe there is a scripture where Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. I really think the Sabbath is still hallowed...I need to investigate this some more.

Searching,

Honoring our fathers and mothers is given lip service. Liberal Greek philosophy moves the thoughts away from following the counsel of our parents.

Luke 2:51-52
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. KJV

Joe

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Searching,

Honoring our fathers and mothers is given lip service. Liberal Greek philosophy moves the thoughts away from following the counsel of our parents.

Luke 2:51-52
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. KJV

Joe

Yes, all the Commandments are lightly regarded but only the 4th is ardently opposed.

 

[Cribstyl]

Well, because, as Acts 20:7 says, they came together to break bread. Verse 7 refers to the meal in the future tense, verse 11 referrs to it in the past tense.



Because as was already pointed out, he was leaving town the next day.

Try explaining away why the preaching was not on the sabbath rather than after.

 

[Cribstyl]

You know...I was contemplating the Ten Commandments. I thought to myself, "no one would consider the Ten Commandments to be wrong...surly they would not steal, covet, Idolate ect...but when it comes to the Sabbath command suddenly there is so many excuses why this isn't important anymore" ...it kinda bothers me.

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


The seventh day our very Lord rested on that day..He Blessed it, and made it Holy! sounds like a big thing to me. Is what the Lord made Holy, not holy anymore? is what he blessed no longer blessed? It doesn't make sense, to accept all, and reject the one.

I believe there is a scripture where Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. I really think the Sabbath is still hallowed...I need to investigate this some more.

Many who read the bible believe that the law was given to only the children of Israel. The old and new testament proves that other nations were aliens and stranger from Israel.
Those who keep the sabbath tend to believe that the law was given to them.
The fact that God makes covenants is the reason to know what God requires of us.

Creation's story is about the acts of the only true God. He ended His creation in 6days and rested on the seventh day. Sabbath was given to the Children of Israel to prove which God they served. When the law was given sabbathkeeping became the sign of the covenant. God never kept the sabbath, nor was Adam-Moses commanded to keep sabbath.
There are teaching contrary to what the bible say embedded in churches that were born in the 1800's and also the Catholic church.

 

[Stryder06]

You know...I was contemplating the Ten Commandments. I thought to myself, "no one would consider the Ten Commandments to be wrong...surly they would not steal, covet, Idolate ect...but when it comes to the Sabbath command suddenly there is so many excuses why this isn't important anymore" ...it kinda bothers me.

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


The seventh day our very Lord rested on that day..He Blessed it, and made it Holy! sounds like a big thing to me. Is what the Lord made Holy, not holy anymore? is what he blessed no longer blessed? It doesn't make sense, to accept all, and reject the one.

I believe there is a scripture where Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. I really think the Sabbath is still hallowed...I need to investigate this some more.

I can promise you that you're on the right track. Don't bother with the various arguments you'll see. Stick with the word of God. Just like you said, God blessed it and made it holy. Unless you see the Lord Himself Declare the sabbath to no longer be holy then it is still holy, just as you said.

 

[mrasell]

Acts 20:7 represents a one off meeting that went on all night until day break, so cannot be used to demonstrate a regular practice.

As a Jewish day begins at sunset, therefore they continued their meeting after the Sabbath and Paul began his journey on Sunday morning, showing he did not regard Sunday as a day of rest.

 

[mrasell]

The weekly cycle began at Creation, not Mt Sinai. It was at Creation that God sanctified the 7th day (Gen. 2:2-3).

Most Christian denomination recognise in their creeds and beliefs that we keep the moral laws of the OT but not the ceremonial and civil laws.
All the 10 commandments can be found in Genesis before Moses, e.g. Cain murdered Abel, Joseph refused to commit adultery, Jacob told his children to put away idols etc. And Abraham kept God's commandments (Gen. 26:5).

Jesus said clearly he came not to abolish but to fulfil the law (Mt.5 :17-19). The Greek word here means to fill something up, as the disciples were filled by the Spirit.

 

[Stryder06]

God never kept the sabbath, nor was Adam-Moses commanded to keep sabbath.

Let's deal with this little tidbit here shall we. How do you know that God didn't keep the sabbath? Why does God call it His holy day? Also, didn't Christ keep the sabbath? Isn't Christ fully God?