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The Rule of Scripture ("Sola Scriptura" as Luther and Calvin called it)

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LittleLambofJesus

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Originally Posted by sunlover1
Because a different contractor built each wall.
And even though their RULE was the same (standard tape),
THEY stink at measuring.
There, that's much easier to understand.

then they are following teachings of men?

Whatda you and others make of Revelation 21:17

Reve 21:15 And the one talking with me had measure reed, golden, that he should be measuring the City and the gates of Her and the wall of Her
16 And the City four cornered is-lying, and the length of Her as much as, and the breadth. And he measures the City to the reed on stadia twelve thousands the length and the breath and the height of Her equals is
17 And he measures the wall of Her, hundred forty four of cubits, measure of man, which is of a Messenger.
[Ephesian 3:17-19/Revelation 11:1]
 
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Both scripture, Church, and tradition have a norming process. They both equally coincide with each other. They are both gifts and tools that God gave us. As the ancient fathers stated, one cannot have God as Father if they do not have Church as mother.

Shall we follow in the spirit of Korah and reject the priesthood and the hierarchy of the Church? Before the OT was fully completed during the time of Ezra, oral tradition ruled the land of the Jews. Abraham, Issac and Jacob all relied on Jewish oral tradition. And this tradition became the foundation for the OT. God, knowing the limits of the human language and linguistics at the time revealed his message in a way that was palpable for the Hebrews at that time. And during that time it was oral memory and the transferring of scattered scrolls of this tradition which eventually led to the library of scripture that Jeremiah found and brought together. It was till only after the exile that written scripture became a stable regarding God's word.
 
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Hm, G-d KILLED Korah. Your analogy is FAIL, since instead of that happening, He Blesses those you accuse. Seems you might do better at keeping up with the times?
 
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Hm, G-d KILLED Korah. Your analogy is FAIL, since instead of that happening, He Blesses those you accuse. Seems you might do better at keeping up with the times?

He blessed the reformation with the 30 years war and the Peasants war? and the general upheaval and scandal of Christendom? doesn't sound like much of a blessing but rather more of a retribution for causing schism.
 
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Apologetic Warrior, a Calvinist, posted this in another thread. I think it's helpful.









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Didn't see this until now:

He blessed the reformation with the 30 years war and the Peasants war? and the general upheaval and scandal of Christendom? doesn't sound like much of a blessing but rather more of a retribution for causing schism.

Obviously it was a better choice than staying under Rome's thumb. Which should be obvious.
 
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Sola Scriptura -- the practice of using Scripture as the only rule in matters regarding the Christian faith... a practice that is difficult to start without using a source outside of Scripture to define what Scripture consists of... in fact, to say you practice 'Sola Scriptura' is somewhat self-contradictory.
 
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St. Cyril of Jerusalem (c.310-386):

For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless you receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning, but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.
(Catechetical Lectures, IV:17, in The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers [Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1983 reprint], Second Series, Vol. VII, p. 23.)

St. Gregory of Nyssa (330-395):

...we are not entitled to such license, namely, of affirming whatever we please. For we make Sacred Scripture the rule and the norm of every doctrine. Upon that we are obliged to fix our eyes, and we approve only whatever can be brought into harmony with the intent of these writings.
(On the Soul and the Resurrection, quoted in Jaroslav Pelikan, The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition [Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1971], p. 50.)

St. Gregory of Nyssa:

Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.
(On the Holy Trinity, in The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series, Vol. V, p. 327.)




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What sources does your Denomination use? Just curious
 
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These were not Sola Scriptura adherents


So, they embraced and affirmed Sola Scriptura (in words nearly INDENTICAL to the opening post) but they rejected what they affirmed, in your opinion. Okay. Your opinion is noted. Thank you.

The quotes from these EO Church Fathers are given as good examples of what is and is not Sola Scriptura - the sole topic of this thread. They describe it very well.




[quote]What sources does your Denomination use?[/quote]


Note the opening post. If possible, let's stick to THIS rubric.

THIS thread is about Rule of Scripture.

Thank you!








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Well, starting with the wrong definition often ends with the wrong conclusion.

Fact is, none of the major Reformers defined it this way. And none meant it this way.

The point is to treat Scripture as the only infallible source of authority in matters of Christian faith and practice.

It's not the sole source -- it's the sole infallible source.

It's not the sole source of information. It's the sole source of authority.

It's not the sole source in all respects. It's the sole source in matters of faith and practice.

And it's not as if no one has mentioned this before. It's just that it hasn't changed the comments of those who should've been informed by the notification.
 
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The opening post....


 
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Interesting. Thanks for clarifying that
 
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Note the opening post. If possible, let's stick to THIS rubric.

THIS thread is about Rule of Scripture.

Thank you!

Brief quotations, wrested from the context of the entirety of an author's corpus, praxis, ithos and life are not a viable support for a position.
 
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AGAIN, point noted: You think they disagreed with what they stated.
Got it. Okay. Thanks.





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Brief quotations, wrested from the context of the entirety of an author's corpus, praxis, ithos and life are not a viable support for a position.
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Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4430 matches the Greek πτῶμα (ptōma), which occurs 5 times in 4 verses in the Greek concordance

Rotherham) Matthew 24:28 Wheresoever, the corpse, shall be, there, shall be gathered, the vultures!

Rotherham) Mark 6:29 And, hearing of it, his disciples went and took away His corpse, and laid it in a tomb.

Rotherham) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies/corpses [lie] upon the broadway of the great city, the which is called, spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where, their Lord also was crucified.

4430. ptoma pto'-mah from the alternate of 4098; a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.

Corpus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corpus (Latin plural corpora, English plural corpuses or corpora) is Latin for body. It may refer to:

Corpus Christi ("body of Christ" in Latin) may refer to:

A crucifix (from Latin cruci fixus meaning "(one) fixed to a cross") is a usually three-dimensional cross with a representation of Jesus' body, referred to in English as the corpus (Latin for "body"),[1][2] as distinct from a cross with no body.
 
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Well, starting with the wrong definition often ends with the wrong conclusion.

Please read my post again. It is apparent that you did not correctly interpret what I said.

heymikey80 said:
It's not the sole source in all respects. It's the sole source in matters of faith and practice.

I acknowledged this in the first line of my post:

Sola Scriptura -- the practice of using Scripture as the only rule in matters regarding the Christian faith...

I took pains to clarify that Sola Scripture is a PRACTICE, in accordance with Josiah's definition of Sola Scriptura.

But this is the problem with Sola Scriptura -- you say that Scripture is the "sole source in matters of faith and practice." The contents of Scripture is in itself a 'matter of faith and practice'. I believe the body of Scripture consists of certain writings while many believe it consists of more or less writings. What determines this belief? What is our infallible source regarding what Scripture does and does not contain?
 
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