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The Robe of Righteousness

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One of the great hopes within Adventism is the thought that, in the judgment, God will not look at us, but He will see Jesus standing for us.
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"He that says to the wicked, ‘thou art righteous’; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him". (Prov 24:24)

But does God say to the wicked man that professes Christianity, “thou art righteous”?

Does God call evil, “good”? Many cling to the hope that He will do precisely that, but this, in my view, is far from a safe haven.

The Spirit of Prophecy contains the thought, that “as the Lord looks upon us, He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah.” (My Life Today p.311) Many feel safe and secure in their sins, because salvation, in their view, is entirely a matter of proxy. “God will not look at me, He will see only Jesus”, and thus they feel at liberty to retain the fig-leaf garment of self righteousness. 'God will not see it.'

When Moses asked to be shown the glory of God, “the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6-7)

His mercy and forgiveness will not clear [or absolve] the guilty in the way that many now hope He will.

EJ Waggoner, when commenting on the thought in Exodus 34, writes “...the guilty can not escape in their guilt. God is merciful and gracious, but He will not clear the guilty. Ex.34:6,7. That is, He will not lie, by calling evil good; but He provides a way by which the guilty may lose their guilt. (Glad Tidings p.148)

And from Mrs. White.
“Only by faithful repentance will their sins be forgiven; for God will not cover evil with the robe of His righteousness.” (Sons And Daughters p.13)

And again, “the righteousness of Christ cannot cover one unconfessed sin.” (17Manuscript Release p. 241.) Yet it is true that unknown, unconscious, sins are covered by His righteousness, for we cannot confess that which we do not know. This is the realm where imputed righteousness is freely granted to the Christian.

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One of the great hopes within Adventism is the thought that, in the judgment, God will not look at us, but He will see Jesus standing for us.
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"He that says to the wicked, ‘thou art righteous’; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him". (Prov 24:24)

But does God say to the wicked man that professes Christianity, “thou art righteous”?

Does God call evil, “good”? Many cling to the hope that He will do precisely that, but this, in my view, is far from a safe haven.

The Spirit of Prophecy contains the thought, that “as the Lord looks upon us, He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah.” (My Life Today p.311) Many feel safe and secure in their sins, because salvation, in their view, is entirely a matter of proxy. “God will not look at me, He will see only Jesus”, and thus they feel at liberty to retain the fig-leaf garment of self righteousness. 'God will not see it.'

When Moses asked to be shown the glory of God, “the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:6-7)

His mercy and forgiveness will not clear [or absolve] the guilty in the way that many now hope He will.

EJ Waggoner, when commenting on the thought in Exodus 34, writes “...the guilty can not escape in their guilt. God is merciful and gracious, but He will not clear the guilty. Ex.34:6,7. That is, He will not lie, by calling evil good; but He provides a way by which the guilty may lose their guilt. (Glad Tidings p.148)

“Only by faithful repentance will their sins be forgiven; for God will not cover evil with the robe of His righteousness.” (Sons And Daughters p.13)

And again, “the righteousness of Christ cannot cover one unconfessed sin.” (17Manuscript Release p. 241.) Yet it is true that unknown, unconscious, sins are covered by His righteousness, for we cannot confess that which we do not know. This is the realm where imputed righteousness is freely granted to the Christian.

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Stewart.
Stewart,

The following apostolic witness has been a clarification to my heart and mind.
Rom 6:3
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? KJV

Gal 3:27
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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The dead body of Jesus must be our body before we can arise in the newness of his resurrected life of priestly ministry and put on the priestly garment that our resurrected Lord gives to us through the Spirit.

Putting on Christ is not an outward imitation of Jesus, but it is the living spirit of Jesus working through our thoughts and emotions bringing our thoughts into captivity to Jesus' obedience in ministry to the lambs and sheep that he gives us to serve in the flesh, even as the Father gave Jesus those who he was to serve in the flesh. John 17. As the living Father sent Jesus, so our Lord Jesus sends us and gives us of his spirit to guide and strengthen us in our appointed labor.

Rom 8:9-10
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.KJV

John 16:9-10
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; KJV

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Using Stewart's analogy above, when we accept Jesus as our Saviour, He steps in front of us. The Father then finds us blameless because all He can see is His Son. When we sin, we step out from behind Jesus and place ourselves in danger of being destroyed by God's purity of love and holiness. When we repent and ask for forgiveness, Jesus again step back in front to sanctify us or shield us.
 
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The hope that God has already forgiven our sins, we only need to ask.
If He has forgiven our evil, can He not also cover it with His robe of righteousness?

If Christ could cover evil with His righteousness, then all would be saved.
If Christ can't cover evil with His righteousness, then none will be saved.

Using Stewart's analogy above, when we accept Jesus as our Saviour, He steps in front of us. The Father then finds us blameless because all He can see is His Son.
However, from the comments in this thread, it appears that He can only do so if there is no evil in us. Since there is evil in all of us, these comments make it appear that Jesus stands in front of no one.

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If He has forgiven our evil, can He not also cover it with His robe of righteousness?

If Christ can't cover evil with His righteousness, then none will be saved.

However, from the comments in this thread, it appears that He can only do so if there is no evil in us. Since there is evil in all of us, these comments make it appear that Jesus stands in front of no one.

BFA

BFA, when you say "it appears that He can only do so [i.e. cover evil with His righteousness] if there is no evil in us", I believe that this is true. But it applies to conscious evil, and not to evils in ourselves that we are unconscious of. Known sins will certainly shut us away from God.

Yet often we are told [in effect] that we are saved in our known sins. This has often been the thought among God's people.

From Malachi 2:17
"You have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet you say, 'Wherein have we wearied Him?' When you say, 'Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delighteth in them'..."

There are many today that "weary" the Lord with the same idea.

"Who then can be saved?"
 
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Rom 7:24-25
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. KJV

The victory in Jesus leads us to serve the law of God with our mind and to serve the law of sin with our flesh. It is a two-edged sword.

Peter did witness that this wisdom is hard to understand.

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Rom 7:24-25
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. KJV

The victory in Jesus leads us to serve the law of God with our mind and to serve the law of sin with our flesh. It is a two-edged sword.

Peter did witness that this wisdom is hard to understand.

Joe

Joe, do you understand this to mean that we must serve two masters? We serve righteousness [i.e God] with our mind, and we serve sin with our flesh?
 
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He can, He chose not too do a a blanket covering when He gave beings(angels and man) free will. He wants relationship with us, for us to willing ask for Him to cover our own evil, sinfulness with His blood. It is not that He can't. We don't truly have free will if Christ's sacrifice was one huge do over een if we never asked for one.

Now, don't get me wrong, it is exactly that for those who ask, or should I say acknowledge it. All ARE saved. Christ need not do anything else to save us. however, it is kind of like a rescue. If it is flooding by your house and the recuserers come by and you don't get in the boat....you drown. Savation is there, we just have to acknowledge it.

StewartNZ, I see you have been reading your SS. I had to teach last week, we had a very good discussion.

If Christ could cover evil with His righteousness, then all would be saved.
 
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He can, He chose not too do a a blanket covering when He gave beings(angels and man) free will. He wants relationship with us, for us to willing ask for Him to cover our own evil, sinfulness with His blood. It is not that He can't. We don't truly have free will if Christ's sacrifice was one huge do over een if we never asked for one.

Now, don't get me wrong, it is exactly that for those who ask, or should I say acknowledge it. All ARE saved. Christ need not do anything else to save us. however, it is kind of like a rescue. If it is flooding by your house and the recuserers come by and you don't get in the boat....you drown. Savation is there, we just have to acknowledge it.

Amen Princess....

When I said 'can't', it is under the conditions set out from eternity.
 
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BFA, when you say "it appears that He can only do so [i.e. cover evil with His righteousness] if there is no evil in us", I believe that this is true. But it applies to conscious evil, and not to evils in ourselves that we are unconscious of. Known sins will certainly shut us away from God.
Any man who knows to do what's right and does it not, to him it is sin.

Any man who is guilty in one point is guilty in all.

Since all people sin, we are guilty of concious evil. If Christ's robe of righteousness cannot cover conscious evil, there is no hope for any of us.

Yet often we are told [in effect] that we are saved in our known sins.
That is the very basis of the gospel . . . . that we are saved despite our sins and not because of our sinlessness. We do not merit Christ's grace through our confession of known sins. We could never do anything to earn or deserve it. If we could, then it isn't grace.

There are many today that "weary" the Lord with the same idea.
No doubt about that. This is the human condition. This is why we need a Savior. This leads to the beauty of the gospel . . . salvation by grace through faith and not works or law.

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Christ need not do anything else to save us. however, it is kind of like a rescue.
I agree. I'd imagine that we also agree that we don't contribute to His completed work of salvation by getting rid of known evil/sin. If this was required, there would be no hope for any of us--right?

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Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. KJV

Jesus saves his people (those redeemed by his blood and are made kings and priests unto their God) from their sins. The body of sin is put to the burning flame, through faith by grace. The fiery tribulations provided by the Lord bring his fear before our face and keep us from sinning. "He will baptize you with the holy Spirit and with fire."

There is a way provided whereby we do not continue in sin that grace may abound. This way is not a return to the deeds of the law, for justification/righteousness/peace with God is first given unto us freely in Jesus Christ, our risen Lord, the Lamb of God, our high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

The way provided to keep us from returning unto sin is the way of grace and the deeds/works that grace works in and through us in the reproduction of the suffering of Jesus in the ministry of the spirit for the unjust and the afflictions in ministry to the body, the church of the Lord Jesus on earth.

"The woman shall be saved IN childbearing." The woman is justified IN her Head, her husband. She is saved as her husband bears fruit through her. The woman has sorrow and pain in conceiving and childbearing. This sorrow and pain keeps her from being exalted beyond measure in her relationship with her husband in the visions given to her.

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I agree. I'd imagine that we also agree that we don't contribute to His completed work of salvation by getting rid of known evil/sin. If this was required, there would be no hope for any of us--right?

BFA
BFA,

The Lord Jesus gives us hope by cleansing us from all unrighteousness; which follows his forgiving us our sins.

We are justified through faith and have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

And we also have access into this grace (where sin does not have dominion over us) by faith through Jesus Christ and in this grace we stand up, in hope of the glory of God. This is not adding to the work of grace in Jesus, but the receiving of Jesus' victory over the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes and the pride of life as we serve the unjustified.

It is a two-edged sword. Justification/imputation in heaven in Jesus before the judgment bar of God. Sanctification on earth, receiving the image of Jesus' victory over the wicked one as youthful soldiers. This victory is the grace of tasting death/drinking the cup in ministry to the unjustified who we are given to serve.

This is the balance of the truth and the Spirit of God, the sharp two-edged sword out of the mouth of Jesus. This is what Jesus was telling the woman at the well concerning worshiping God in spirit and truth.

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From the opening post...

One of the great hopes within Adventism is the thought that, in the judgment, God will not look at us, but He will see Jesus standing for us.
I am an atheist, but that makes a great deal of sense to me. If I was god and had created an imperfect creation I would see myself in its flaws.

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From the opening post...

I am an atheist, but that makes a great deal of sense to me. If I was god and had created an imperfect creation I would see myself in its flaws.

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God did not make an imperfect creation, we chose to seperate ourselves from God. Sin cannot exist in the presence on the Father, so unless we are covered by the robe of Christs Righteousness, we will be destroyed.
 
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