The river of life

[Species8472]

The cistern contains. The fountain overflows.
Everything that procedes from thought is evil. Why add thought for stature, as Jesus says, behold the lillies of the field, how they neither spin nor toil.
Many who read this would disagree that thought is evil; but why think, what is it worth?
Words are evil, the tongue is full of iniquity; it arrays its self with beautiful meanings and arrogance. It tries not to restrain itself and therefore becomes prolific in its examination of life--that without words life is meaningless.
...And then there is the great silence(of thought). The acceptance that nothing really matters--that all that ever mattered came from words.
One must restrain thought, restrain desire, restrain passion in order to know what is thoughtful and desirous and passionate.
I teach the cistern--that instead of sticking to our slippery tongues and those perceptual conversations that we endure with ourselves; rather, it is thought which we must hold in immensity. To have the right thoughts is what is cistern-like.
Thought must become like water; as the cistern contains, water gathers in the immensity of thought, only to become a fountain of living-waters, living-thoughts.

 

[The Nihilist]

If words were evil, then you would do well not to post.

 

[Species8472]

If words were evil, then you would do well not to post.

I would expect that from you, my Little recovering philosopher. If you want a war (as I know what is in your heart--for it is what comes out of your mouth that will defile you--then bring it on. I can trade wits with a dim wit.
But choose your words wisely because I can slice the likes of you to pieces and make you appear to be a fool.

 

[The Nihilist]

I would expect that from you, my Little recovering philosopher. If you want a war (as I know what is in your heart--for it is what comes out of your mouth that will defile you--then bring it on. I can trade wits with a dim wit.
But choose your words wisely because I can slice the likes of you to pieces and make you appear to be a fool.

I have tired of having enemies in this forum. I would rather you just answered my criticism, if you can.
Also, your language is intensely metaphorical. Can you speak more literally, because it's difficult to get a clear idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Species8472]

I have tired of having enemies in this forum. I would rather you just answered my criticism, if you can.
Also, your language is intensely metaphorical. Can you speak more literally, because it's difficult to get a clear idea of what you're talking about.

Then my peace rests upon you. I have no need of enemies. You just seemed like a likely candidate for argument. Your antagonism is your strength and I wanted to bring that out. I am not a literal person. The world is literal and they have forgotten about the metaphorical and the allegory. Learn these my friend (and I call you my friend), because these two words can bring a wealth of meaning in a dark world. If you ever read platos allegory of the cave then you should know that someone who has been in the sunlight can only illuminate the cave by naming the shadows better.

 

[The Nihilist]

Then my peace rests upon you. I have no need of enemies. You just seemed like a likely candidate for argument. Your antagonism is your strength and I wanted to bring that out. I am not a literal person. The world is literal and they have forgotten about the metaphorical and the allegory. Learn these my friend (and I call you my friend), because these two words can bring a wealth of meaning in a dark world. If you ever read platos allegory of the cave then you should know that someone who has been in the sunlight can only illuminate the cave by naming the shadows better.

Yes, arguments are fun. But my concern is this: if words have no litteral meaning, then they are not useful as philosophy, but only as poetry. Additionally, I'm not sure why you think the world has forgotten allegory. It seems to me that allegory belongs to the arts, and I don't think that the world today is short on the artisitic. Besides, I don't think the world is dark; I think it's full of meaning. And if I'm having a particularly meaningless day, I joust with windmills to pass the time. Do you think that this is the task of one who has been outside the cave, if we are to grant the accuracy of Plato's allegory? Do you think that it is to bring meaning? I had always thought it was to bring truth, but then, I don't feel like the world is corrupt or dark or false.

 

[Job_s_First_Son]

The cistern contains. The fountain overflows.
Everything that procedes from thought is evil. Why add thought for stature, as Jesus says, behold the lillies of the field, how they neither spin nor toil.
Many who read this would disagree that thought is evil; but why think, what is it worth?
Words are evil, the tongue is full of iniquity; it arrays its self with beautiful meanings and arrogance. It tries not to restrain itself and therefore becomes prolific in its examination of life--that without words life is meaningless.
...And then there is the great silence(of thought). The acceptance that nothing really matters--that all that ever mattered came from words.
One must restrain thought, restrain desire, restrain passion in order to know what is thoughtful and desirous and passionate.
I teach the cistern--that instead of sticking to our slippery tongues and those perceptual conversations that we endure with ourselves; rather, it is thought which we must hold in immensity. To have the right thoughts is what is cistern-like.
Thought must become like water; as the cistern contains, water gathers in the immensity of thought, only to become a fountain of living-waters, living-thoughts.

Hi there. What does this mean? And what are the right thoughts?
Thanks.

 

[Species8472]

Yes, arguments are fun. But my concern is this: if words have no litteral meaning, then they are not useful as philosophy, but only as poetry. Additionally, I'm not sure why you think the world has forgotten allegory. It seems to me that allegory belongs to the arts, and I don't think that the world today is short on the artisitic. Besides, I don't think the world is dark; I think it's full of meaning. And if I'm having a particularly meaningless day, I joust with windmills to pass the time. Do you think that this is the task of one who has been outside the cave, if we are to grant the accuracy of Plato's allegory? Do you think that it is to bring meaning? I had always thought it was to bring truth, but then, I don't feel like the world is corrupt or dark or false.

In Plato's Republic, the philosopher king is poetic. He must be well versed in poetry. Yes, allegory does belong to the arts. I did not think of that. In Truth there is meaning and it prevails over meaning, purifying it into an everlasting fire. Or the fire of enlightenment. I perceive that you are enlightened.

 

[Species8472]

Hi there. What does this mean? And what are the right thoughts?
Thanks.

To find meaning in it. Take what you know and connect with the words. You must consider your own right thoughts. What is good for you? Not what is good for me.

 

[The Nihilist]

In Plato's Republic, the philosopher king is poetic. He must be well versed in poetry. Yes, allegory does belong to the arts. I did not think of that. In Truth there is meaning and it prevails over meaning, purifying it into an everlasting fire. Or the fire of enlightenment. I perceive that you are enlightened.

You sound more like a mystic than a philosopher, frankly. And while that may have its merits, I think it's important to know which is which. What say you? Are you a mystic or a philosopher?

 

[Species8472]

You sound more like a mystic than a philosopher, frankly. And while that may have its merits, I think it's important to know which is which. What say you? Are you a mystic or a philosopher?

You know me well. I am both.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Many who read this would disagree that thought is evil; but why think, what is it worth?

Thoughts are tools. They are worth the ends to which they are the means. They are worth nothing in themselves.

You are right that thoughts are not what gives life meaning, but are at best the way we articulate and comprehend life.

It is not thought that is evil, but the thought that it is thought that makes something good, instead of recognizing it as good.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Species8472]

Thoughts are tools. They are worth the ends to which they are the means. They are worth nothing in themselves.

You are right that thoughts are not what gives life meaning, but are at best the way we articulate and comprehend life.

It is not thought that is evil, but the thought that it is thought that makes something good, instead of recognizing it as good.


eudaimonia,

Mark

That's absolutely true--that the thought that is the thought that makes it good. A simple yea or nea, anything more than this procedes from evil, as Jesus says.

 

[elman]

That's absolutely true--that the thought that is the thought that makes it good. A simple yea or nea, anything more than this procedes from evil, as Jesus says.

To think and not act is not good.

 

[Species8472]

To think and not act is not good.

that is true--to think and not act.