The Richness of Individualism (Learning to Accept Disunity in the MJ community)

[Hoshiyya]

so same calendar, same mitzvot reaction to situations, and physical proximity... make for good unity.

Yes, I certainly agree.

 

[ContraMundum]

I do, and it grates just like that. HASHEM. I got a chill up my back just writing it.
There is no excuse, once you know he has a name, not to use it, and every reason biblically why we must.
I believe he honored using Lord, God, Jesus when we didn't know any better, but we are expected to learn
and apply what we learn to everything we do and say.

Hmm...just imagine your own kids calling you "hey, The Name, can I borrow the car?"

 

[Hoshiyya]

Hmm...just imagine your own kids calling you "hey, The Name, can I borrow the car?"

Well it depends on intention.

Most people don't refer to their parents by their first name.

Bart Simpson is specifically noted as referring to his father as "Homer", to indicate Bart's brattiness, whereas the obedient Lisa says "dad".
But I do think the holy name should be used at least sometimes, albeit with great reverence.
I imagine it will eventually come back into use. Scriptures says that in the millennium:

"holy to YHWH" will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the house of YHWH will be (as sacred) as the sacred bowls in front of the altar. Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be "holy to YHWH of multitudes", and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.

This is a sensational dissemination of the name. Horse bells and cooking pots are meant as, relatively speaking, "common things". So to have the name on these "daily" or "common" things means that it will be all over, I think.

 

[ContraMundum]

Well it depends on intention.

Most people don't refer to their parents by their first name.

Bart Simpson is specifically noted as referring to his father as "Homer", to indicate Bart's brattiness, whereas the obedient Lisa says "dad".
But I do think the holy name should be used at least sometimes, albeit with great reverence.
I imagine it will eventually come back into use. Scriptures says that in the millennium:

"holy to YHWH" will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the house of YHWH will be (as sacred) as the sacred bowls in front of the altar. Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be "holy to YHWH of multitudes", and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.

This is a sensational dissemination of the name. Horse bells and cooking pots are meant as, relatively speaking, "common things". So to have the name on these "daily" or "common" things means that it will be all over, I think.

One of my favorite verses!

I agree about your thoughts on intention. I guess when I practice hitbodedut I prefer to use Father. HaShem isn't even that common amongst my Jewish friends these days. God is used a lot more.

 

[Truthfrees]

I have previously argued that if we have the same calendar, and generally the same understanding of the application of mitzvot, we should be able to have physical unity and should try to work together and be friendly.

Good point. This is how Judaism is presently preserving unity amidst great diversity. It's a great place for we MJ's to start.

I'd like to hear your ideas on how we can facilitate this. IOW, what can we do to work towards this type of unity?

List mitzvot and discuss application? Post a calendar in our forum? The Jewish Calendar my shul uses is the Chabad.org Calendar.

 

[pinacled]

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/YHWH.html#.VZWrWlLUlQc

How Beautiful is the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Good point. This is how Judaism is presently preserving unity amidst great diversity. It's a great place for we MJ's to start.

I'd like to hear your ideas on how we can facilitate this. IOW, what can we do to work towards this type of unity?

List mitzvot and discuss application? Post a calendar in our forum? The Jewish Calendar my shul uses is the Chabad.org Calendar.

"I'd like to hear your ideas on how we can facilitate this"

Well like I say, I have accepted that MJ doesn't currently have much unity, and also the eventuality that it may not get much better in the future.

But the rules or principles or paths for achieving success are the same for MJ as they are for OJ, Christianity, Hinduism, and any other religion in the world. They are essentially the same principles that any organization, culture, people, or civilization must follow to achieve success and perpetuate itself.

However there is a big difference between MJ and the other more successful religions. The other religions don't need an apocalypse. If Catholicism was the true religion, there would be no Revelation of John, or at least, there would be no apocalypse and armageddon etc. The only Biblical religion that actually stands to benefit from a world-wide apocalypse is actually a small religion, like MJ. So if we accept the Revelation of John as a divinely inspired part of the Bible, then (it seems) we necessarily preclude ourselves from belonging to a popular world-religion.

"presently preserving unity amidst great diversity"

And I think that's how it should be. OJ is doing so much that MJ should be imitating, I think, but for whatever reason Hashem has caused or allowed things to turn out a bit differently than I would've preferred...

 

[Chicken Little]

he is either author and finisher of his children's faith or he isn't right . and maybe Love is allowing them to wrestle with God on their own terms because working out/ or through those issues isn't a sin. It is a sin to remain in them . or to molest others when you are to be really wrestling with him in it.