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Scripture nether confirms nor denies that explicitly, so where are you getting it?
Special pleading and begging the question... it's not particularly profound.Best answer ever:
Special pleading and begging the question... it's not particularly profound.
I did watch it.Did you watch it?
Those who understood clapped.
I'm unconvinced because it assumes the existence of God's attributes as a justification for his existence...
Um ... he was answering the question as to where God came from?
So it was okay for the person asking Ken to assume God exists, but Mr Hovind can't answer accordingly?
The man asking the question is assuming God is confined within His creation.
Kent is using what you call "unsound logic" to show God would have to be outside of His creation.
And the audience clapped -- as did I.
It's unsound logic because the response to how does a spiritual God create the Universe is to say that he can because he's God with God's appropriate attributes... it's not an explanation, it's a description.
But he does not support ex nihilo. Time, matter and space have their origin in God.Best answer ever:
Unconvinced of what? That God exists outside of time and space?I did watch it.
Those who already share the faith clapped.
I'm unconvinced because it assumes the existence of God's attributes as a justification for his existence... it isn't logically sound.
But he does not support ex nihilo. Time, matter and space have their origin in God.
We seem to have either have creatio ex nihilo or creatio ex materia.From AI Overview:
The belief that time, space, and matter originate from God is often associated with the concept of creationism and is a core tenet of theistic religions, including Christianity and Islam. It posits that God, as a transcendent being, is the ultimate source and sustainer of the universe, bringing everything into existence through an act of creation.
So far it agrees with you.
But then it goes on to say ...
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Creationism:
This belief system asserts that the universe and all life were created by God, often described as "ex nihilo" (out of nothing), rather than evolving from pre-existing matter.
Again ... did you watch the video?
You said you did, but ... well ...
There was no question about how God created the universe.
The question was where God came from.
Unconvinced of what? That God exists outside of time and space?
And the answer is simply the timelessness trait... while ascribing time dependent activities like "creating".
It's a description of a trait that is labelled as necessary, then special pleading it's possibility.
Year Conviction Counts / Charge Details Sentence 2006‑07 Federal tax evasion & structuring 58 counts: payroll tax evasion, structuring, obstruction 10 years prison + $600K+ restitution 2015 Criminal contempt (linked to forfeiture) 1 contempt count Later vacated; released in 2015 2021 Domestic violence Assault on estranged wife 30 days jail, fine, restitution
Activity / Source Description Financial Benefit Possible Criminal Indicators Creation Science Evangelism (CSE) Hovind’s primary ministry founded in 1989 in Pensacola, FL. Operated as a tax-exempt religious entity. Income from seminars, donations, merchandise Operated without registering as a proper nonprofit; refused to withhold taxes or report employee wages. Dinosaur Adventure Land (DAL) A creationist theme park in Florida used to attract supporters and raise funds. Paid entry, sales of merchandise Property held in church trust to avoid taxes; used unpaid labor and circumvented building codes/zoning laws. Speaking Engagements & DVDs Extensive traveling ministry offering lectures, debates, and video sales. Tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars Received in cash, allegedly structured to avoid federal reporting laws; no income tax paid on proceeds. Sale of Creationist Materials Hovind sold books, DVDs, seminar recordings, and merchandise promoting creationism. Revenue via CSE store and online sales Business profits not reported; income often routed through personal or ministry accounts. Unreported Wages to Employees Paid workers in cash or as “love offerings” or “missionaries.” Saved payroll tax obligations Convicted for willfully failing to withhold/pay employment taxes (12 counts in 2006 conviction). Structuring of Bank Withdrawals Withdrew >$430,000 in increments under $10,000 to evade reporting requirements. Avoided IRS scrutiny Convicted of 45 counts of structuring transactions to evade federal reporting requirements. Bankruptcy Abuse and Legal Obstruction Filed false documents in bankruptcy, made threats, filed frivolous lawsuits to resist IRS actions. Attempted to keep assets Convicted of obstructing the IRS (2006), including destruction of records and legal harassment tactics. Use of Church Trusts & Sham Entities Transferred property to “trusts” named after God (e.g., “Trust One” to “Trust Nineteen”). Shielded assets from seizure or taxation Alleged misuse of religious trusts to hide assets; not formally charged on this count but cited in court filings. Mailing Campaigns to Judges and Officials Sent letters attacking court officials and promoting “sovereign citizen” theories. No direct profit but legal strategy Cited in contempt and obstruction hearings as intimidation and improper interference with judicial proceedings. Continued Online Fundraising After Conviction While in prison and afterward, supporters raised funds for legal defense and to restart ministry. Ongoing donations Not inherently illegal, but questions remain over donor transparency and tax filings of new ventures.
I thought creationists might have done better instead of using a convicted criminal to make the case for creationism.
Of course I might be engaging in a terrible strawman attack against this individual who appears to be on a money making exercise out of creationism rather than a genuine crusader in spreading the word.
According to the science nothing is created Ex Nihilio.
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