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In some early Christian writings, the apostle Thomas is an identical twin of Jesus - but with lots of normal human character flaws. In the canonical gospel (John I believe?), Thomas is the doubter. It's probably related to Gnostic beliefs somehow. Thomas symbolizes some idea.Some people just dont like the idea of Jesus rising from the dead. For them there is always an explanation that can be had to explain it away. "The man claiming to be the risen Saviour is just an identical twin of Jesus."
So on and so forth.
In the name Thomas Didymus, Didymus means "twin."In some early Christian writings, the apostle Thomas is an identical twin of Jesus - but with lots of normal human character flaws. In the canonical gospel (John I believe?), Thomas is the doubter. It's probably related to Gnostic beliefs somehow. Thomas symbolizes some idea.
Based on the opposite being true.
It's much easier to be sure they went there, than to be sure they didn't.
Wouldn't you go there to check it out, if you were a Roman?
The tomb was a sealed tomb.
I'm sure the Romans at least went there to check their seal.
I'm answering your question. Don't want your questions answered, don't ask any.
And already did.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-resurrection.7924822/page-2#post-69062601
And if those guarding his tomb were subject to death, would you still feel the same way? The punishment for a Roman soldier falling asleep at post in that time was crucifixion. Bother to go look? The Roman's stationed guards just to prevent anyone stealing his body because he said he would rise in three days.
Why would non-Christians write about an event that would oppose their beliefs?
If those that didn't believe in David Blane were to write the history - they would leave out any mention of his tomb being empty. How easily people forget that history is written to support those in charge, not the opposition.
Ok, since you want to play - what evidence do you have He doesn't exist? None.
You see, you make arguments and appeals to reason to conclude that God doesn't exists. That fallacy of argument works both ways.
But you can start by showing me one single celled organism that has ever become anything other than what it started as in the lab, then you might have something besides religious belief yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction
"Asexual reproduction is a type of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single organism, and inherit the genes of that parent only"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning
"In biology, cloning is the process of producing similar populations of genetically identical individuals that occurs in nature when organisms such as bacteria, insects or plants reproduce asexually."
It was against Jewi9sh practice to touch a dead body. Those whi did have touch one were then considr4d unclean:
Lev_5:2 Or if a soul touches any unclean thing, or the unclean dead body of an animal, or the unclean dead body of livestock, or the dead body of unclean swarming things, it being hidden from him that he is unclean and is guilty,
Lev_11:25 And anyone who lifts up their dead body shall wash his garments and shall be unclean until the evening;
There are over 20 verses about this---it was the Roman guards themselves who went to the authorities about Jesus being gone and the authorities would have been the ones to go looking for the body. The guards were facing death if it was proven they fell asleep on duty. Unfortunately, CSI was not around at the time for DNA testing and so forth--and there is no way in the world that the Romans would have admitted that they couldn't find him so they had to tell everybody that the Jews took the body. Defeats were not recorded, either in battle, or otherwise. In fact, the records of battles could be quite the opposite of what actually happened as others would record what actually happened and there are records where the kings would say they fought a victorious battle and the records of others would indicate otherwise. Face saving. There were no cameras recording everything that happened so what makes you think that the Romans didn't move heaven and earth to try and find that body?? They would have loved to announce to the whole world that it was all a lie and the best they could do was try to shut the whole thing up---didn't work.
Who said it wasn't recorded?So re-read the thread. I'm asking why this very scenario was never recorded.
The Gospel writers wrote what they were inspired to write.Nihilist Virus said:Are you saying the gospel writers were unaware of the investigation?
So your answer to the question of why there was no investigation is that they tried to cover it up? Fine, that covers the antagonists. But what about those neutral and sympathetic to Christ? Again, he apparently committed more miracles than the entire library of the world could hold, so why did NOBODY care that he had apparently risen from the dead?
Another theory I have read is that the theology in the Gospel of John was in competition with the theology of the Gospel of Thomas (one of the more popular non-canonical gospels). The story of doubting Thomas was included in the Gospel of John to diminish the status of Thomas and therefore the theology of the Gospel of Thomas.In the name Thomas Didymus, Didymus means "twin."
I've heard messages on who Thomas' twin brother is.
It is anyone who doubts.
Who said it wasn't recorded?
I think what you really want to ask is:
Why wasn't it preserved?
And the answer to that is simple:
It wasn't preserved because God didn't preserve it.
And God didn't preserve it, because God didn't inspire it.The Gospel writers wrote what they were inspired to write.
After all, they were God's personal hand-picked secretaries.
Notice here were Jude started to write about salvation:
Jude 3a Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation,
... but was inspired of God to write something else instead:
Jude 3b ... it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Please re-read the OP, you seem to be confused on the point of discussion.Everybody rejoiced He had risen from the grave--the apostles knew, Mary was there and say the empty tomb--so did the other apostles, Why would they be looking for a dead body when they had the live one in front of them? Remember, the tomb was sealed with a huge rock in front of it and required several people to move it--that had been rolled away and the tomb was empty. It was easy to see it was empty. Everyone from then on has cared very much that He has risen from the grave!
Please re-read the OP, you seem to be confused on the point of discussion.
So your answer to the question of why there was no investigation is that they tried to cover it up? Fine, that covers the antagonists. But what about those neutral and sympathetic to Christ? Again, he apparently committed more miracles than the entire library of the world could hold, so why did NOBODY care that he had apparently risen from the dead?
No, there aren't.There are a ton of meaningless details recorded in the gospels.
What event?Nihilist Virus said:An event like this would be important.
Whenever it happened, it happened according to God's timing -- not man's.Nihilist Virus said:An event like this places the resurrection event squarely in that time.
I disagree.Nihilist Virus said:As it stands the story looks like a legend that grew over time, which is consistent with the decades-long gap between the death and when pen first went to paper.
The tomb was empty.Nihilist Virus said:Cursing a fig tree is important, but not the investigation of the empty tomb?
With the historical data that we have in the NT and from what we know of crucifixions as capital offences in the Roman empire, it's possible that Jesus wasn't buried and that his body was eaten by feral dogs or buried in a mass grave. Most of the time victims of crucifixion were simply left on the cross to rot. The stories about a burial may be pious fictions written to offer a sense of solace to the early Christians.So why is it that Jesus, who apparently performed more miracles than all of the books in the whole world could record, was said to have risen from the dead and yet no one bothered to go look?
Not even cooties corrupted His body.With the historical data that we have in the NT and from what we know of crucifixions as capital offences in the Roman empire, it's possible that Jesus wasn't buried and that his body was eaten by feral dogs or buried in a mass grave.
Well, my point is that as a historian I could only say that I don't know what happened to Jesus' corpse. As a theologian I would agree with JPII (perhaps one of the few times) and say that the Resurrection of Jesus was a transhistorical event.Not even cooties corrupted His body.
I know what happened to Jesus' corpse.Well, my point is that as a historian I could only say that I don't know what happened to Jesus' corpse.
Well, we don't know that this is historical. Part of me thinks it likely to have been pious story telling rather than history recorded. I don't think we'll ever actually know though.LOL--desperation leads to much imaginings!
The Jews dealt with their dead in very specific ways. The body was washed and many spices were used to cover the body. It was then wrapped in linen and then buried in caves---one year later, they would bring out the body, unwrap it, place all the bones in a box. This wasn't just a custom some followed, it was mandated. Poverty would cheapen things to low quality linen and not so many spices, but friends and family and even priests would do this if there was absolutely nobody to do it, they always took care of their dead. And it was Joseph of Arimathaea that had the body prepared and it would have been him that would have gone back to finish the work---which he never had to do. Mass graves--not--Joseph petitioned Pilate himself for the body so there was a body.
Joh_19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
Many historians think that Jesus was buried. I can see the argument one way or the other and simply remain unconvinced both ways.I know what happened to Jesus' corpse.
But then, I'm not a historian.
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