The Resurrection

[Nihilist Virus]

I've already supplied multiple responses. I suppose they're not what you were hoping for. Sorry, but I'm too lazy to go back, investigate them, and summarize them.

This was your original answer:

After a few pages you said they didn't look because there was no good reason to. Then I mentioned bloody footprints vs bloody drag marks. Then you completely dodge that point:

You quoted me. That's all I even said. And yet you didn't address it one bit.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Did I not say do not quote me anymore??!!!

You did.

And you are, as usual totally wrong. Jesus had resurrected several from the dead, such as Lazarus, a man's daughter, and a woman's son.

I did not contradict those claims.

You keep saying there was no investigation, we keep telling you there was but nothing is what you want to hear!

Show me where there was an investigation please. Anywhere. Gospels, non-canonized works, secular history, anything.

But nothing we say is going to be what you want to hear---you're an atheist and do not believe in the bible or anything in it so why keep asking for proof you do not accept???----Now, no more quotes!!

I've crushed many people on these forums, and I've admitted defeat when appropriate. In this particular case, you have said nothing of interest.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Thank you for that explanation.

I like people who can explain things in an easy-to-understand format.

Is this what they call an "ERV"?The earth is 4.57 billion years old, but has only been in existence for just over 6000 years.

In other words, it is 4.57 billion years old physically, and 6000 years old existentially.I'm the next best thing to a YEC.

My pastor is a YEC.

I'm Embedded Age.

Sort of a modified Apparent Ager.Because God created their light first, then the source of that light, the star itself.It's not a radius of 10,000 light years.

Take a balloon and blow it up with smoke.

Now, in an instant of time, expand that balloon to a diameter of 100 miles.

What happens to the smoke?

It starts expanding into an area that is now much larger, and will continue to expand until it reaches maximum entropy.Shekinah light.The doppler effect shows these galaxes moving away (red), but apparently Andromeda is moving toward us (blue).Latin for "and so on."

I don't know what an ERV is. But for you to say that the earth is 4.57 billion years old, and has only existed for 6000 years... wow. And a bizarre supernatural explanation for cosmic background radiation.

And to top it all off you say this:

Yes, and they all spoke Jacobean English until the Tower of Babel incident and Jacobean English went bye-bye.

Then it began a long trek back into a brief existence for the sake of writing the KJB.

I can no longer tell if you are serious, mocking, or simply deranged.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can no longer tell if you are serious, mocking, or simply deranged.

For the record, I'm serious.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

For the record, I'm serious.

What kind of retrovirus is an ERV? What do they do? What is your response to retrovirus evidence for common ancestry with apes?

How is the earth 4.6 billion years old if it only existed for 6000 years? Am I to understand that you mean God created the universe and made it appear old?

1. What is the point of this?
2. How is this in any way depicted in scripture?

It is clear that reading only the Bible would lead one to believe in a young universe. It seems then that geology convinced you of an old earth and cosmology convinced you of an old universe. Why else make this desperate compromise? Also, why accept an old universe and reject evolution? What is your actual reason for rejecting evolution?

Oh and what on earth is Jacobean English? Are you seriously claiming that humanity briefly revived a dead language?

 

[AV1611VET]

What kind of retrovirus is an ERV? What do they do? What is your response to retrovirus evidence for common ancestry with apes?

How is the earth 4.6 billion years old if it only existed for 6000 years? Am I to understand that you mean God created the universe and made it appear old?

1. What is the point of this?
2. How is this in any way depicted in scripture?

It is clear that reading only the Bible would lead one to believe in a young universe. It seems then that geology convinced you of an old earth and cosmology convinced you of an old universe. Why else make this desperate compromise? Also, why accept an old universe and reject evolution? What is your actual reason for rejecting evolution?

Oh and what on earth is Jacobean English? Are you seriously claiming that humanity briefly revived a dead language?

I'll answer these later -- for about the tenth time.

But for the record:

How is this in any way depicted in scripture?

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I'll answer these later -- for about the tenth time.

But for the record:

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

Ok so... it says "old." To a human, a 6000 year old earth is old. Quite flimsy evidence.

Also if you accept the general narrative of geology, what do you have to say about the flood? Was it local?

By the way, your adherence to the KJV is strange. It is flawed, just like any other translation. There's 2 Kings 8:26 vs 2 Chronicles 22:2. There's the Zedekiah contradiction I have brought up. The KJV is not perfect, so why not open up to other versions? You've already begun to open up to science.

 

[Wgw]

This was your original answer:

After a few pages you said they didn't look because there was no good reason to. Then I mentioned bloody footprints vs bloody drag marks. Then you completely dodge that point:

You quoted me. That's all I even said. And yet you didn't address it one bit.

Note that the forum contains a quote feature; there is no need to post screenshots.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

For the record, I'm serious.

I don't think N.V. is.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think N.V. is.

I don't either.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I don't either.

I smell troll.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is the earth 4.6 billion years old if it only existed for 6000 years?

God embedded age into His creation when He made it.

As I like to say now, God created the earth as a raisin, not a grape.

(A raisin is an aged grape.)

Am I to understand that you mean God created the universe and made it appear old?

Better than that:

God created the universe old.

1. What is the point of this?
2. How is this in any way depicted in scripture?

1. I don't know. It may have something to do with the anthropic principle. Some things function better old than new. Like aged cheese, aged wine, and raisins.

2. 2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

It is clear that reading only the Bible would lead one to believe in a young universe.

I agree.

That's why I have a set of standards I use that allow me to incorporate science into the equation, as long as said science doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

It seems then that geology convinced you of an old earth and cosmology convinced you of an old universe.

I only go by their conclusions. Specifically, just the numbers. Not the processes that gave us those numbers.

If scientists conclude the earth is 4.57 billion years old, I won't contest it.

If tomorrow scientists amend that to 3 billion years old, I'll go with three billion.

Why else make this desperate compromise?

It coherently satisfies the conclusions of scientists on the age of the earth, as well as satisfies those who say the earth was created 6000 years ago.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Also, why accept an old universe and reject evolution?

Evolution is blasphemy.

It says we are mutant copy-errors, made in the image & likeness of a common ancestor.

What is your actual reason for rejecting evolution?

One of my favorite reasons is:

Evolution requires deep time.

And the Bible does not make amends for deep time.

Oh and what on earth is Jacobean English?

The English in use in the time of King James I.

Are you seriously claiming that humanity briefly revived a dead language?

With God's help.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Who said it wasn't recorded?

I think what you really want to ask is:

Why wasn't it preserved?

And the answer to that is simple:

It wasn't preserved because God didn't preserve it.

And God didn't preserve it, because God didn't inspire it.The Gospel writers wrote what they were inspired to write.

After all, they were God's personal hand-picked secretaries.

Notice here were Jude started to write about salvation:

Jude 3a Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation,

... but was inspired of God to write something else instead:

Jude 3b ... it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

What? It's speaking of the same thing but saying in one that it is available to all, and in the other, that it should be strived for with heart.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

It was verified, empty, by Mary, and I think one other woman, literally at the grave site once.

Skeptics wouldn't have checked the site until word spread that his disciples had seen him again, at which time the believers would have been nowhere in site due to fear of persecution.

Everyone always talks about records. Do you understand that there was a huge fire that consumed the city where the things would have been stored. Also, the "church" that was established by blood and greed and deception would have been privy to any such documentation that might have survived, as it ended up taking a governmental position. Being manipulative and manipulated, this governmental body, this force would, of course, keep such things out of the light for viewing in order to continue leading the faithful astray.

2¢
Peace

I agree. To say that something was not mentioned in the bible does not mean it did not happen.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I don't know what an ERV is. But for you to say that the earth is 4.57 billion years old, and has only existed for 6000 years... wow. And a bizarre supernatural explanation for cosmic background radiation.

And to top it all off you say this:



I can no longer tell if you are serious, mocking, or simply deranged.

The word "day" or "days" mean wholly different amounts of time or the perception there of in particular cases in the bible. These are spoken about in the bible.

The six days is six eons, give or take for time dilation and/ or rapid expansion.

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The word "day" or "days" mean wholly different amounts of time or the perception there of in particular cases in the bible. These are spoken about in the bible.

The six days is six eons, give or take for time dilation and/ rapid expansion.

2¢

What is time when compared to eternity? If you went to heaven and asked God "what year is it?" What would He say?

 

[AV1611VET]

What? It's speaking of the same thing but saying in one that it is available to all, and in the other, that it should be strived for with heart.

From Adam Clarke's Commentary:

Some think that St. Jude intimates that he had at first purposed to write to the Church at large, on the nature and design of the Gospel; but seeing the dangers to which the Churches were exposed, because of the false teachers, he changed his mind, and wrote pointedly against those false doctrines, exhorting them strenuously to contend for the faith.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

That's why I have a set of standards I use that allow me to incorporate science into the equation, as long as said science doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

Then you believe in the Bible a priori. There is quite literally no point in you being here on the apologetics forums.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

It was verified, empty, by Mary, and I think one other woman, literally at the grave site once.

Off topic, please read the OP.

Skeptics wouldn't have checked the site until word spread that his disciples had seen him again, at which time the believers would have been nowhere in site due to fear of persecution.

I don't buy the persecution angle, but you make a good point: what if no one went because no one knew?

Can you please tell me how long Jesus remained on earth after his resurrection? Or is this not known? Because if it was known to be only like a month or so, and if 400 or so people saw him, then your argument is not plausible.

Everyone always talks about records. Do you understand that there was a huge fire that consumed the city where the things would have been stored. Also, the "church" that was established by blood and greed and deception would have been privy to any such documentation that might have survived, as it ended up taking a governmental position. Being manipulative and manipulated, this governmental body, this force would, of course, keep such things out of the light for viewing in order to continue leading the faithful astray.

2¢
Peace

I said quite clearly in the OP that this omission from the gospel cuts against its own narrative. I don’t care about fires because the gospel was not lost.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

The word "day" or "days" mean wholly different amounts of time or the perception there of in particular cases in the bible. These are spoken about in the bible.

The six days is six eons, give or take for time dilation and/ or rapid expansion.

2¢

That still does not make Genesis compatible with science.

1. Earth before the sun=wrong
2. Water canopy=wrong
3. Birds before land animals=wrong

I've heard some brilliant defenses:

1. Earth is not depicted as preceeding sun: from observer's perspective on earth, the dark clouds block the sun in the beginning
2. Water canopy = Oort Cloud
3. [No defense]