The Resurrection

[Im_A]

this came on my mind last night at work.

this thread isn't really meant to be a discussion on if it happened or not, and i hope that is kept in mind.

i was just thinking about it last night, and thinking of the details described in the Gospels, and some things aren't lining up...quo say.

all the resurrections in the Bible show a person being raised from the dead, and they return to us a human being just as we are (at least that seems to be easily assumed by the lack of literature of the after body effects after the resurrection each person either had or didn't have.)

but Jesus was different. the Gospels tell us that Jesus rose from the grave, and was a human being. as recorded, Thomas touched the wounds so he could believe it was actually Christ. but then Jesus disappeared, or in other words, appeared to be an apparition.

so this leaves me wandering what the true definition of Christ's resurrection really is according to the Bible. we are told that Christ rose from the dead, and it was a literal/real resurrection.

i'm not trying to prove the resurrection wrong, but i would imagine Christ's resurrection would be the same as the other resurrections in the Bible, for it to be 100 percent literal and according to scriptures, it wasn't as the other described resurrections.

so i just wander what people's thoughts are on this.

 

[FreezBee]

all the resurrections in the Bible show a person being raised from the dead, and they return to us a human being just as we are (at least that seems to be easily assumed by the lack of literature of the after body effects after the resurrection each person either had or didn't have.)

but Jesus was different. the Gospels tell us that Jesus rose from the grave, and was a human being. as recorded, Thomas touched the wounds so he could believe it was actually Christ. but then Jesus disappeared, or in other words, appeared to be an apparition.

Which other resurrections do you refer to?

There is of course the resurrection of Lazarus in John 11, which appears to meant as real bodily resurrection. But we also have the story in 1 samuel 28, where the Witch of Endor calls Samuel back from the grave to talk to Saul.

I do not consider myself an expert on this topic, but I guess that the resurrection of Lazarus was to be a proof that Jesus could bring back the dead, not to be the prototype of the resurrection.

Paul always considers Jesus in heaven, not on earth. So I really do think you should make a distinction between resurrection used to prove something and the general resurrection.

But as indicated, I am not really sure about this - hope you get some more enlightening responses


- FreezBee

 

[Jamza]

I think the other resurrections in the Bible were prolonging life; while Christ's resurrection was a resurrection to eternal life; that couldn't really happen with our bodies, we fall apart after our three score and ten (hopefully plus a bit extra!) Christ's body was different, it seems it looked human; yet he also seems to be able to vanish and reappear, so maybe was just appearing in a human form to the disciples; the real form of his resurrected form is unknowable.

 

[Blackguard_]

but Jesus was different. the Gospels tell us that Jesus rose from the grave, and was a human being. as recorded, Thomas touched the wounds so he could believe it was actually Christ. but then Jesus disappeared, or in other words, appeared to be an apparition.

Um no. Jesus could be physically there and physically gone the next instant, it does not mean Jesus was an apparition. You don't think God could make himself disapear? You are slipping into a form of Docetism here.

Next you're going to tell us Jesus' walking through the boulder in front of the tomb and the closed door of the room he disapeared from means he was a ghost. It was him using his God powers to do that with a physical body.

Jesus could have done stanger things if he so chose. Since God is omnipresent he could have had 5 physical Jesus's greet the disciples. Why is it so hard to believe God could make someone, never mind himself disappear physically?

And Jesus was not the only person in the Bible to disappear physically. In Acts 8, Phillip after he baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch disapears and is transported far away.

Acts 8
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Was Phillip an apparition?

so this leaves me wandering what the true definition of Christ's resurrection really is according to the Bible. we are told that Christ rose from the dead, and it was a literal/real resurrection.

The ressurection was a literal ressurection, Jesus just chose to do some more miracles. You could walk through walls and disappear too with God's power.

i'm not trying to prove the resurrection wrong, but i would imagine Christ's resurrection would be the same as the other resurrections in the Bible, for it to be 100 percent literal and according to scriptures, it wasn't as the other described resurrections.

The other people who were ressurected were not God and so simply did not have the power to do what he did, and God never used his power to enable them to do those things either. Jesus could have done everything he did post-ressurection before the crucifixion if he so chose.

 

[Blackguard_]

Christ's body was different, it seems it looked human; yet he also seems to be able to vanish and reappear, so maybe was just appearing in a human form to the disciples; the real form of his resurrected form is unknowable.

Was Phillip in Acts 8 non-human? Jesus body post-ressurection was just as human as before. The disappearing and reappearing were using his God powers that could be used on our physical bodies as well. And yes it was God appearing to the disciples in human form, the same as the Incarnation before the crucifixion. He just chose not to disapear then.

 

[UberLutheran]

Um no. Jesus could be physically there and physically gone the next instant, it does not mean Jesus was an apparition. You don't think God could make himself disapear? You are slipping into a form of Docetism here.

Next you're going to tell us Jesus' walking through the boulder in front of the tomb and the closed door of the room he disapeared from means he was a ghost. It was him using his God powers to do that with a physical body.

Jesus could have done stanger things if he so chose. Since God is omnipresent he could have had 5 physical Jesus's greet the disciples. Why is it so hard to believe God could make someone, never mind himself disappear physically?

And Jesus was not the only person in the Bible to disappear physically. In Acts 8, Phillip after he baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch disapears and is transported far away.

Acts 8
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Was Phillip an apparition?



The resurection was a literal resurection, Jesus just chose to do some more miracles. You could walk through walls and disappear too with God's power.



The other people who were resurected were not God and so simply did not have the power to do what he did, and God never used his power to enable them to do those things either. Jesus could have done everything he did post-ressurection before the crucifixion if he so chose.

I was going to say pretty much the same thing, but you said it more eloquently and more thoroughly than I could possibly have stated.

 

[Im_A]

Um no. Jesus could be physically there and physically gone the next instant, it does not mean Jesus was an apparition. You don't think God could make himself disapear? You are slipping into a form of Docetism here.

Next you're going to tell us Jesus' walking through the boulder in front of the tomb and the closed door of the room he disapeared from means he was a ghost. It was him using his God powers to do that with a physical body.

Jesus could have done stanger things if he so chose. Since God is omnipresent he could have had 5 physical Jesus's greet the disciples. Why is it so hard to believe God could make someone, never mind himself disappear physically?

And Jesus was not the only person in the Bible to disappear physically. In Acts 8, Phillip after he baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch disapears and is transported far away.

Acts 8
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Was Phillip an apparition?



The ressurection was a literal ressurection, Jesus just chose to do some more miracles. You could walk through walls and disappear too with God's power.



The other people who were ressurected were not God and so simply did not have the power to do what he did, and God never used his power to enable them to do those things either. Jesus could have done everything he did post-ressurection before the crucifixion if he so chose.

thank you for the quote in Acts. btw, i wasn't meaning to get into Docetism, so don't go and assume what i'm going to say next it was just i was thinking about the detailed differences, and i appreciate that verse in Acts

so with what you said about how i, meaning anyone, could walk through doors and walls with God's power. i wonder if there were any instances in church's history. do you know of any? (i'm asking that sincerely not sarcastically btw )

 

[Blackguard_]

thank you for the quote in Acts. btw, i wasn't meaning to get into Docetism, so don't go and assume what i'm going to say next

sorry I shouldn't have assumed although what you said did lead to Docetism, I forgot for a minute you didn't intend it to.

it was just i was thinking about the detailed differences, and i appreciate that verse in Acts

Ok.

so with what you said about how i, meaning anyone, could walk through doors and walls with God's power. i wonder if there were any instances in church's history. do you know of any? (i'm asking that sincerely not sarcastically btw )

I do not know of any.

 

[craig_on_fire]

this came on my mind last night at work.

this thread isn't really meant to be a discussion on if it happened or not, and i hope that is kept in mind.

i was just thinking about it last night, and thinking of the details described in the Gospels, and some things aren't lining up...quo say.

all the resurrections in the Bible show a person being raised from the dead, and they return to us a human being just as we are (at least that seems to be easily assumed by the lack of literature of the after body effects after the resurrection each person either had or didn't have.)

but Jesus was different. the Gospels tell us that Jesus rose from the grave, and was a human being. as recorded, Thomas touched the wounds so he could believe it was actually Christ. but then Jesus disappeared, or in other words, appeared to be an apparition.

so this leaves me wandering what the true definition of Christ's resurrection really is according to the Bible. we are told that Christ rose from the dead, and it was a literal/real resurrection.

i'm not trying to prove the resurrection wrong, but i would imagine Christ's resurrection would be the same as the other resurrections in the Bible, for it to be 100 percent literal and according to scriptures, it wasn't as the other described resurrections.

so i just wander what people's thoughts are on this.

As simply as possible, other 'bringings back to life' were resuscitations, death working backwards and one being restored to life.

Jesus Resurrection, is God actually bringing Him THROUGH death and out the other side into what is to be the body of the brand new creation. Easter is about God's Kingdom bursting into our ours. We Christians believe that one day God will renew all of creation, and his children will be endowed with brand new bodies, free from decay and corruption. Jesus resurrection was to be the first of what will eventually be many.