The Restoration Movement?

[joshuanazar]

Well, a lot of Christians, or people that assume they are Christians, are finding fault with what other so-called Christians are or are not doing.

Jesus is returning for those that are doing what he wants!
- being led of His Spirit.

Movements of the Holy Spirit aren't just the "big" things like the day of Pentecost and persecution.
Every day someone walks with God is a movement of the Holy Spirit!

Yes, we shouldn't focus on the faults of the people but on the grace of Christ. It is only his grace that will work. And I also agree that Movements are people giving their lives to Jesus, addicts receiving the breakthrough that they need, or anytime someone receives some special revelation from God. Each of these movements, while small in the world, are momentous life changing events in the life of the person experiencing it. And these "small" events will add up to the movement that will shake the world again. The Holy Spirit will lead this movement and the world will know that the Spirit is in charge.

 

[BryanW92]

And these "small" events will add up to the movement that will shake the world again. The Holy Spirit will lead this movement and the world will know that the Spirit is in charge.

Amen to that!! Group movements always find leaders and then it stops being a group movement and becomes a "led" movement.

The small events in individual lives are the real movement, and when two or three people experience these events together, then you have the church.

 

[joshuanazar]

Amen to that!! Group movements always find leaders and then it stops being a group movement and becomes a "led" movement.

The small events in individual lives are the real movement, and when two or three people experience these events together, then you have the church.

Imagine being apart of a body that is active to the point that the world notices something supernatural about it. A body so sincere that the world will have no choice but to see through the pastors and see Jesus. A body so unified that there would be no doubts as to whether or not a stranger was apart of this body. A body that will draw persecution to it where ever it goes and respond to that persecution with nothing but perfect love. I believe that it will happen real soon.

 

[Receiver]

Yes, we shouldn't focus on the faults of the people but on the grace of Christ. It is only his grace that will work. And I also agree that Movements are people giving their lives to Jesus, addicts receiving the breakthrough that they need, or anytime someone receives some special revelation from God. Each of these movements, while small in the world, are momentous life changing events in the life of the person experiencing it. And these "small" events will add up to the movement that will shake the world again. The Holy Spirit will lead this movement and the world will know that the Spirit is in charge.

But, like a new seedling sprouting, if the environment is not right, it will not grow. The Church that Jesus set up is the "greenhouse", dead stuff and poisonous stuff is weeded, it is watered and warmer!

So, I would encourage you to visit us as we reject the dead-end words-only "gospels" and affirm the original directives (Acts 2v37-39).
We operate and encourage all to seek to be used in the gifts and ministries. As well as meetings being run as 1 Corinthians 14 details, we have concerts, outreaches, youth camps, dinner evenings etc.

 

[BryanW92]

Imagine being apart of a body that is active to the point that the world notices something supernatural about it. A body so sincere that the world will have no choice but to see through the pastors and see Jesus. A body so unified that there would be no doubts as to whether or not a stranger was apart of this body. A body that will draw persecution to it where ever it goes and respond to that persecution with nothing but perfect love. I believe that it will happen real soon.

This has happened several times in the last 200 years. Of course it will happen again, and it will end again too. Revivals and restorations have a finite life, and when their purpose is fulfilled, they end. The universal revival/restoration will only come when Jesus returns to lead it. There is no scripture that says that Jesus will return to an already-perfected church. It says that he will return into a sinful world and broken church, and then he will make it right.

 

[Receiver]

...There is no scripture that says that Jesus will return to an already-perfected church. It says that he will return into a sinful world and broken church, and then he will make it right.

Where does it say that?

 

[BryanW92]

Where does it say that?

Ummm...everywhere. The sinful and fallen state of man and this world is a common theme throughout the bible. The fact that Jesus will return is found throughout the bible and his thousand year reign is also in the bible.

Sometimes we have to go beyond the proof texts and actually read the bible for content.

 

[Receiver]

A movement means leaving "A" to get to "B"

That means letting go of old ways and ideas and taking on new.

If you want to be in the restoration movement you need to forsaking the traditions and ideas of man regarding "Christianity" and getting back to the original (and only) way.

As preciously shown, you being by repenting, being baptised and receiving God's Spirit, with praying in the Spirit (in tongues) as detailed in scripture (Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-48) and in meetings "following love" by operating according to "the commandments of the Lord" given in 1 Corinthians 14.

People that will not do these things are not moving, not restoring, not loving God or man as he wants.

 

[joshuanazar]

But, like a new seedling sprouting, if the environment is not right, it will not grow. The Church that Jesus set up is the "greenhouse", dead stuff and poisonous stuff is weeded, it is watered and warmer!

So, I would encourage you to visit us as we reject the dead-end words-only "gospels" and affirm the original directives (Acts 2v37-39).
We operate and encourage all to seek to be used in the gifts and ministries. As well as meetings being run as 1 Corinthians 14 details, we have concerts, outreaches, youth camps, dinner evenings etc.

What do you mean by visit us?

 

[joshuanazar]

This has happened several times in the last 200 years. Of course it will happen again, and it will end again too. Revivals and restorations have a finite life, and when their purpose is fulfilled, they end. The universal revival/restoration will only come when Jesus returns to lead it. There is no scripture that says that Jesus will return to an already-perfected church. It says that he will return into a sinful world and broken church, and then he will make it right.

I can see that given time a movement even one that is led by the Holy Spirit might die as people return to worldly practices. However, I am confident that Jesus will return soon. Maybe he won't return to a "perfect" church, but I am sure that we will return to a strong church who realizes that they are made perfect in him.

 

[Receiver]

What do you mean by visit us?

"I believed not the words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen it: and, behold, the half was not told me: thy wisdom and prosperity exceedeth the fame which I heard. Happy are thy men, happy are these thy servants, which stand continually before thee, and that hear thy wisdom."
(1 Kings 10:7-8

"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." (Matt 12:42)

The first words of Jesus:

"Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt" (John 1:38-39)

Jesus' dwelling place is the church He set up, only those that are baptised in His Spirit (Acts 2, 1 Corinthains 12:13)

So, physically get to a meeting of people who are restored to the original experience and way of worship!

Even if it means a journey, then at least you will see, hear and appreciate more that you can possibly do by just looking at websites and imagining.

Some people think that knowing about it is enough but God will actually use these physical meetings to actually minister to you and possibly through you.

 

[Boidae]

A movement means leaving "A" to get to "B"

That means letting go of old ways and ideas and taking on new.

If you want to be in the restoration movement you need to forsaking the traditions and ideas of man regarding "Christianity" and getting back to the original (and only) way.

As preciously shown, you being by repenting, being baptised and receiving God's Spirit, with praying in the Spirit (in tongues) as detailed in scripture (Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-48) and in meetings "following love" by operating according to "the commandments of the Lord" given in 1 Corinthians 14.

People that will not do these things are not moving, not restoring, not loving God or man as he wants.

One must be careful of the church that Receiver is promoting as that church believes that unless you speak/pray in tongues you are not saved.

For anyone that has read the Bible, we know that is not true and is itself a man made rule. No where in the Bible does it say that in order to be saved one must speak/pray in tongues.

 

[joshuanazar]

When people say that we need to get back to the original way, what are they talking about? Are they referring to the way the early church worshiped? Or are they talking about the original anointing? I started this thread thinking that we need to go back to the way the early church had worshiped. But I see now that the only requirement to worship is that it be done in Spirit and Truth. Now what I am seeing is that the church does not need a movement to go back to the early church, the church needs a movement to come back to God. Then we will receive his anointing, whether it is the original anointing of the early church or a new anointing to deal with this present world. Jesus said that he was the way, the truth, and the life. To focus on anything else other than Jesus, is to distract ourselves from the answer.

 

[BryanW92]

When people say that we need to get back to the original way, what are they talking about? Are they referring to the way the early church worshiped? Or are they talking about the original anointing? I started this thread thinking that we need to go back to the way the early church had worshiped. But I see now that the only requirement to worship is that it be done in Spirit and Truth. Now what I am seeing is that the church does not need a movement to go back to the early church, the church needs a movement to come back to God. Then we will receive his anointing, whether it is the original anointing of the early church or a new anointing to deal with this present world. Jesus said that he was the way, the truth, and the life. To focus on anything else other than Jesus, is to distract ourselves from the answer.

I think that it's part of the herd mentality that infects western culture these days. People who see themselves as more spiritual than most others don't want to stand out and be a light in a "regular " church, so they have a nostalgic desire to find a church where everyone is equally gifted.

Personally, I'd rather be a bright light in a dim church so I could know that I was really fulfilling the purpose that God gave me. If such a church existed that it was full of bright lights, then it should immediately disband and send those people out into all the other churches.

We don't need a special church to be anointed. The Holy Spirit can do that in your living room.

 

[joshuanazar]

I think that it's part of the herd mentality that infects western culture these days. People who see themselves as more spiritual than most others don't want to stand out and be a light in a "regular " church, so they have a nostalgic desire to find a church where everyone is equally gifted.

Personally, I'd rather be a bright light in a dim church so I could know that I was really fulfilling the purpose that God gave me. If such a church existed that it was full of bright lights, then it should immediately disband and send those people out into all the other churches.

We don't need a special church to be anointed. The Holy Spirit can do that in your living room.

I'm not talking about local churches, but the body of Christ. And I think sending lights to dim churches sounds like a good idea.

 

[BryanW92]

I'm not talking about local churches, but the body of Christ. And I think sending lights to dim churches sounds like a good idea.

The body of Christ is the local church. Even in the early church that everyone romanticizes, there were differences in each one. That's why Paul sent specific letters addressing specific problems to specific churches. The body of Christ is the church that you are standing in right now, and we are each a part of that particular body.

People think that the local body of Christ will get better if a movement comes from somewhere else that reforms the universal body of Christ (the greater church). It won't. If you want restoration or revival, you do it in your own church--and one of us has to be the agent of change. It will make you unpopular, but you must stay the course. As people pass by you and sneer, "He's trying to change our comfortable church.", you must be Christlike and take the abuse while exuding only love and encouragement.

But we wait for the movement to come to our church, so someone else can be the agent of change and we can remain popular, or so someone else can do the hard work.

So, in answer to the OP, whether it is worship style or anointing, it has to happen in your church, if you feel called to make it happen. Believe me, if you think, "I wish this movement would come to my church", then that is your call to bring it to your church.

And for the people who sit outside church, thinking that they are too anointed or spiritual for "those people" in that imperfect local church...well, they are useless to the body of Christ. They are a hand who has declared himself to be too good to be attached to lowly feet. Or worse, they consider themselves to be an entire body who needs no one else. What does it say about a person who considers themselves to be an entire body of Christ?

 

[joshuanazar]

The body of Christ is the local church. Even in the early church that everyone romanticizes, there were differences in each one. That's why Paul sent specific letters addressing specific problems to specific churches. The body of Christ is the church that you are standing in right now, and we are each a part of that particular body.

People think that the local body of Christ will get better if a movement comes from somewhere else that reforms the universal body of Christ (the greater church). It won't. If you want restoration or revival, you do it in your own church--and one of us has to be the agent of change. It will make you unpopular, but you must stay the course. As people pass by you and sneer, "He's trying to change our comfortable church.", you must be Christlike and take the abuse while exuding only love and encouragement.

But we wait for the movement to come to our church, so someone else can be the agent of change and we can remain popular, or so someone else can do the hard work.

So, in answer to the OP, whether it is worship style or anointing, it has to happen in your church, if you feel called to make it happen. Believe me, if you think, "I wish this movement would come to my church", then that is your call to bring it to your church.

And for the people who sit outside church, thinking that they are too anointed or spiritual for "those people" in that imperfect local church...well, they are useless to the body of Christ. They are a hand who has declared himself to be too good to be attached to lowly feet. Or worse, they consider themselves to be an entire body who needs no one else. What does it say about a person who considers themselves to be an entire body of Christ?

I agree with you completely. I do believe that the entire Body of Christ needs to experience a movement, but I believe that the movement needs to start in the hearts of the Christians, spread into the local churches, and then further out. I am perfectly fine with being the person to start in my church. It seems as if I'm already unpopular, or at least my words are. What I want is for other people, in other churches, to see that we need change in the churches. We need more Jesus.

 

[BryanW92]

What I want is for other people, in other churches, to see that we need change in the churches. We need more Jesus.

They're out there. Some are scared. Some are exhausted from trying. Some are preaching. Some are leading from the pews. The Holy Spirit is there too, giving courage, recharging batteries, inspiring sermons, and motivating leaders.

The early church probably had its pew-warmers and people who sat in the back, or near the wall. It also had leaders. The history is written about the leaders because that is the nature of leadership and history, so we can fool ourselves into thinking that the pew-warmers did not exist. They did, because humans are humans. We (collectively) never really change from one time to another. The only change is in individuals.

 

[joshuanazar]

They're out there. Some are scared. Some are exhausted from trying. Some are preaching. Some are leading from the pews. The Holy Spirit is there too, giving courage, recharging batteries, inspiring sermons, and motivating leaders.

The early church probably had its pew-warmers and people who sat in the back, or near the wall. It also had leaders. The history is written about the leaders because that is the nature of leadership and history, so we can fool ourselves into thinking that the pew-warmers did not exist. They did, because humans are humans. We (collectively) never really change from one time to another. The only change is in individuals.

I can see that regardless of what movement takes place there will still be some that will be content to just do the bare minimum that they feel that they should do and some who will do things purely from religious works. But those that are renewed will be so effective that the world will have to notice the Spirit of God. Then the persecutions will come.

 

[BryanW92]

I can see that regardless of what movement takes place there will still be some that will be content to just do the bare minimum that they feel that they should do and some who will do things purely from religious works. But those that are renewed will be so effective that the world will have to notice the Spirit of God. Then the persecutions will come.

But, remember that there is no "bare minimum" that is required. Jesus did the work on the cross. If someone asks, "What did you do to advance the Kingdom forward today?", it is acceptable to say, "I trusted in Christ."

Even the renewed/restored/revived/regenerated person can't really "do" anything that adds anything to God. So, we each "do" what we feel we should do and we do it for ourselves because we want to show gratitude for the work that Jesus did for us.

So, what about those bright lights? They are bright because they want to be bright, not because God needs them to be bright. God can make a billion billion suns. If he wanted the whole world to notice him, he could do that. But even when man was primitive and easy to manipulate, he only revealed himself to one tribe of people.