The Restitution Of All Things

[renniks]

Surely you jest.

• Rev 20:9 nations devoured by fire
• Rev 20:15 thrown into lake of fire
• Rev 21:6 God making everything new
• Rev 21:24-26 nations pacified and repentant
• Rev 22:2 nations come for healing

So it's not hard to see what happens. Where do you fit in the melty corpses?

Those who are victorious will inherit all this... And I will be their God and they will be my children.. who enters the holy city? Only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of Life. And those are the ones who are found to be ," in Christ".

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Those who are victorious will inherit all this... And I will be their God and they will be my children.. who enters the holy city? Only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of Life. And those are the ones who are found to be ," in Christ".

So you're accepting at least that they still have a chance to overcome after being devoured by fire?

'Come, say the Spirit and the Bride.' Come get the free gift, the gates are always open!

 

[renniks]

Those who are victorious will inherit all this... And I will be their God and they will be my children.. who enters the holy city? Only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of Life. And those are the ones who are found to be ," in Christ".

The judgement has already taken place by the end of chapter 20. At that point, there's no longer a chance for redemption. The unrighteous have already been cast out, and nothing impure will ever enter the city.

 

[FineLinen]

"God IS the Saviour of all mankind…command this and teach this."

God is NOT a potential Saviour, He is Saviour!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

"God IS the Saviour of all mankind…command this and teach this."

God is NOT a potential Saviour, He is Saviour!

Apparently this lifeguard will actually drown you if you don't tell him you can't swim and ask him to save you. And it's YOUR OWN #$*& FAULT, alright!

He's the lifeguard that wouldn't, the saviour that doesn't. What a travesty.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The judgement has already taken place by the end of chapter 20. At that point, there's no longer a chance for redemption. The unrighteous have already been cast out, and nothing impure will ever enter the city.

But the nations, you're forgetting about the nations. You sir are lacking a working narrative.

By the way, Mr Literal, I'm surprised you're still with us, I'd have expected you to first remove an eye, then slice off a hand, then die with Christ. But you're ok, I hope?

For everyone will be salted with fire, and salt is good. (Mk 9-49)

 

[FineLinen]

Apparently this lifeguard will actually drown you if you don't tell him you can't swim and ask him to save you. And it's YOUR OWN #$*& FAULT, alright!

He's the lifeguard that wouldn't, the saviour that doesn't. What a travesty.

My dear brother: I awoke again today with His great call sounding in my being. What a grand Day this is! The Master of Reconcile draws a remnant known as the especially towards His Plan in Father. Step by wonderful step His Grip draws us to where He is as the Forerunner known as the Archegos & Prodromos.

The grande news is the Draw is to all the hurting dwellers of planet earth and what constitutes the heavens. We have been in His Heart long before we invite Him into ours!

My friends: God loves you beyond what you can ask or even think!

 

[FineLinen]

 

[FineLinen]

Jonathan Mitchell N.T.Translation & Words of Life

Jonathan Mitchell - Writings And New Testament Translations

John Gavazzoni Words of Life

Index Of Writings Of John Gavazzoni

 

[renniks]

But the nations, you're forgetting about the nations. You sir are lacking a working narrative

No I am following the text, and everyone is already judged.

 

[renniks]

Apparently this lifeguard will actually drown you if you don't tell him you can't swim and ask him to save you. And it's YOUR OWN #$*& FAULT, alright!

He's the lifeguard that wouldn't, the saviour that doesn't. What a travesty.

No, all you have to do is ask to be rescued. You don't actually have to do anything. You can forcably save some one who wants to die once maybe, but he's just going to jump off a cliff anyway if that is his intention. God isn't in the business of forced salvation.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No I am following the text, and everyone is already judged.

If everyone is already judged then how do the nations emerge repentant for healing? Surely it's because they get a LIFE sentence.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No, all you have to do is ask to be rescued. You don't actually have to do anything.

That's what it says, if you don't ask, you get drownded. Whether the lifeguard acts or omits to act is essentially the same. I was simply alluding to the 'thrown in the lake of fire' damnationist reading. He holds you under til you stop wrigglin'. Why do you do it, it's just nasty.

You can forcably save some one who wants to die once maybe, but he's just going to jump off a cliff anyway if that is his intention.

Almost nobody wants to commit suicide. What are you saying - the lifeguard looks the other way as swimmers drown themselves!?

 

[renniks]

Almost nobody wants to commit suicide. What are you saying - the lifeguard looks the other way as swimmers drown themselves!?

If only that were true. You are very naive, friend. I'm saying ever since the garden the choice has been ours, to follow the snake or the savior.

 

[renniks]

If everyone is already judged then how do the nations emerge repentant for healing? Surely it's because they get a LIFE sentence.

Verse please. Are you talking about the healing of the Nations at the tree of life? Sounds like an application of immortality to me, or perhaps a final healing of all our brokenness. But it's already been made clear that all the unrighteous are outside the city so they don't receive it.

 

[FineLinen]

If only that were true. You are very naive, friend. I'm saying ever since the garden the choice has been ours, to follow the snake or the savior.

"For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope."

And what is the hope of our Father subjecting the whole of created life to futility?

The WHOLE of created life shall be delivered!

 

[FineLinen]

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it–the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

 

[renniks]

"For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope."

And what is the hope of our Father subjecting the whole of created life to futility?

The WHOLE of created life shall be delivered!

"For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope."

And what is the hope of our Father subjecting the whole of created life to futility?

The WHOLE of created life shall be delivered!

Sigh. Another Misquote.
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay, and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God... nothing about every one being saved. Again, the whole point of the book of Romans, is to tell us that there is only one way to be saved, and it is quite clear that not all will be.

 

[FineLinen]

Sigh. Another Misquote.
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay, and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God... nothing about every one being saved. Again, the whole point of the book of Romans, is to tell us that there is only one way to be saved, and it is quite clear that not all will be.

I repeat: The whole of created life has been made subject to futility/ bondage/ corruption/ disobedience "NOT WILLINGLY".

Romans 8:20 - For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope.

The identical many/polus "made sinners" is the many/polus "made righteous." EVERY LAST ONE!

 

[Lazarus Short]

Sigh. Another Misquote.
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay, and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God... nothing about every one being saved. Again, the whole point of the book of Romans, is to tell us that there is only one way to be saved, and it is quite clear that not all will be.

Another failure to cite the source...his and yours.

Another failure to use quotation marks...FL got that correct.

It is very apparent to me that you two were/are using different translations, so no "Another Misquote" was called for.