The Reprobate Doctrine

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Sketcher said:
I have been discussing it. Homosexual lust and relations are not the only sin in that chapter that the reprobate do, verses 28-32 make this clear. Jesus made it clear that every sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be forgiven (Mark 3:28-30), therefore all of the sins mentioned in Romans 1 are forgivable. And in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Paul talks about believers who used to do some of the same things mentioned in Romans 1, including homosexual practices, but were now washed, sanctified, and justified by God himself. Therefore, the doctrine that those who do the sins in Romans 1 have gone so far that they cannot be forgiven is false. Paul doesn't say in Romans 1 they cannot be forgiven. Paul does say that they deserve death, and in the following chapters of Romans, he goes on to discuss God's solution to save such sinners from death, which is through Christ.

People can be forgiven by the Grace of God,in fact that's the only safety mechanism which gives mankind a chance to be redeemed and that's what all those verses about mercy and forgiveness are about. Praise the lord for his sacred Grace. However, God is not mocked and does have a means of rejecting those who he deems unworthy of discipleship,do we know who they are? Well if you believe and understand Romans 1 then yes we do know.

Sketcher · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
People can be forgiven by the Grace of God,in fact that's the only safety mechanism which gives mankind a chance to be redeemed and that's what all those verses about mercy and forgiveness are about. Praise the lord for his sacred Grace. However, God is not mocked and does have a means of rejecting those who he deems unworthy of discipleship,do we know who they are? Well if you believe ans understand Romans 1 then yes we do know.

I believe and understand Romans 1, and I also believe that it is in harmony with the rest of Scripture, which is why I reject your proposition. The fact is, none of us are worthy (Romans 3:23).

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

renniks said:
Well, we aren't the ones who get to judge who is irrevocably reprobate and who isn't. God's will for man is that all be saved and made like Christ.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
1 Thessalonians 4:3
But he will destroy the wicked.
Psalm 145:20
If God gives some over to their wickedness, we should have no doubt that is is because they have left him no other option.

No ones judging renniks it's right there in Romans 1.

And as for this scripture:

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It is not Gods will all be saved or we'd all be saved. The haters of God in Romans 1 will be reprobate.

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Sketcher said:
I believe and understand Romans 1, and I also believe that it is in harmony with the rest of Scripture, which is why I reject your proposition. The fact is, none of us are worthy (Romans 3:23).

I affirm the Scripture of Romans 1 you deny it.

Sketcher · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
I affirm the Scripture of Romans 1 you deny it.

I deny your interpretation of it as inconsistent with the rest of the New Testament.

Oldmantook · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
**Votes are anonymous **

Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?

For those who don't know,the reprobate doctrine states that the creation (Mankind) can be cut-off from Gods grace before a persons physical death,so we do not have until our last breath on earth to reconcile with God and be born again,we can be given over to a reprobate mind and rejected by God whilst still alive. The reason for this is being enemies of God or ''Haters of God'' as defined in Romans 1. Also, there seems to be a link between being a reprobate and homosexual:

Romans 1
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Thoughts?

The only way to be cut off from God's grace is a refusal to repent. The Greek word for "reprobate" is "adokimos" variously translated as reprobate, rejected, fail the test, castaway. Those in Rom 1 became reprobate because they practiced sexual immorality. Habitual sin is the evidence of no repentance on their part, therefore God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

In 2 Cor 13:5 Paul wrote: "Examine yourselves whether ye be in the faith. Test your own selves. Know ye not yourselves how Jesus Christ is in you, unless ye be reprobates?" In this verse, Paul wrote to believers warning them to examine and test themselves to determine whether they are in the faith - lest they be reprobate. Paul wrote this in 1 Cor 9:27 referring to himself: "But I keep control of my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Paul even referred to himself stating that he needs to control his body/flesh unless he himself should become castaway/reprobate.

We all sin but not all practice sin. The ongoing practice of sin in the believer's life evidences an unrepentant heart. God is very patient with us but if our hearts remain hardened, he give us over to a reprobate mind.

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Sketcher said:
I deny your interpretation . . . .

And I deny yours. Done?

Sketcher · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
And I deny yours. Done?

Well, if you deny mine, you have to deny the Scriptures I quoted, and that you haven't acknowledged. But that's on you.

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Oldmantook said:
The only way to be cut off from God's grace is a refusal to repent. The Greek word for "reprobate" is "adokimos" variously translated as reprobate, rejected, fail the test, castaway. Those in Rom 1 became reprobate because they practiced sexual immorality. Habitual sin is the evidence of no repentance on their part, therefore God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

In 2 Cor 13:5 Paul wrote: "Examine yourselves whether ye be in the faith. Test your own selves. Know ye not yourselves how Jesus Christ is in you, unless ye be reprobates?" In this verse, Paul wrote to believers warning them to examine and test themselves to determine whether they are in the faith - lest they be reprobate. Paul wrote this in 1 Cor 9:27 referring to himself: "But I keep control of my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Paul even referred to himself stating that he needs to control his body/flesh unless he himself should become castaway/reprobate.

We all sin but not all practice sin. The ongoing practice of sin in the believer's life evidences an unrepentant heart. God is very patient with us but if are hearts remain hardened, he give us over to a reprobate mind.

Once you're rejected can you come back to God?

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Sketcher said:
Well . . .

Nice try but I'm just rejecting the fabricated version you presented.

Sketcher · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
Nice try but I'm just rejecting the fabricated version you presented.

Still can't acknowledge counterarguments, or Scriptures that contradict or challenge your view. OK.

Oldmantook · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
Once you're rejected can you come back to God?

If one genuinely repents. Habitual sin is the evidence that one has not repented since one continues to engage in sin.

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Oldmantook said:
If one genuinely repents. Habitual sin is the evidence that one has not repented since one continues to engage in sin.

Why reject in the first place if all people need to repent? Seems like a pointless exercise,unless they can't be reconciled then the reprobate mind/doctrine does have a point.

renniks · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
It is not Gods will all be saved or we'd all be saved. The haters of God in Romans 1 will be reprobate.

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
?

What part of all don't you understand? Or of this verse:

He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

How are you discerning who is too far gone to be saved?

Oldmantook · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
Why reject in the first place if all people need to repent? Seems like a pointless exercise,unless they can't be reconciled then the reprobate mind/doctrine does have a point.

All people do need to repent. When one is saved, one repents of one's sins up to that point asking the Father to forgive him of sins committed. From that point on, one needs to continue to repent of sin - since no one is without sin per 1 John 1. However, if one continues in sexual immorality, or any other sin, then it is the evidence that repentance has not occurred. Absent repentance = no forgiveness. However, if he does repent and forsakes the sin that was once a snare to him, then God is willing to forgive. Correct me if I'm wrong but Reprobate doctrine presumes that "once reprobate, always reprobate." As I wrote earlier, if a reprobate person genuinely repents and forsakes sin, God can forgive.

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

renniks said:
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
?

What part of all don't you understand? Or of this verse:

He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

How are you discerning who is too far gone to be saved?

I need Two questions renniks so we can understand each other better

1. Have you read the whole of Romans chapter 1
2. What Bible version did you read it in

Daniel C · Oct 6, 2019

Oldmantook said:
All people do need to repent. When one is saved, one repents of one's sins up to that point asking the Father to forgive him of sins committed. From that point on, one needs to continue to repent of sin - since no one is without sin per 1 John 1. However, if one continues in sexual immorality, or any other sin, then it is the evidence that repentance has not occurred. Absent repentance = no forgiveness. However, if he does repent and forsakes the sin that was once a snare to him, then God is willing to forgive. Correct me if I'm wrong but Reprobate doctrine presumes that "once reprobate, always reprobate." As I wrote earlier, if a reprobate person genuinely repents and forsakes sin, God can forgive.

That is correct! Once God rejects someone it will not be changed.

The fact that you have to ask me this question is bothersome,in the sense you come in the thread arguing against something but apparently don't understand it. Some people just deny it but you seem to not even studied this doctrine. I recommend you do that as it's important.

As for all the repentance statements you made I disagree. I believe a person is saved by faith on Christ and then they never lose their salvation,so works is not necessary but optional however this thread is about Romans 1 and the reprobate doctrine.

DamianWarS · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
Translations is key here. In fact this doctrine can be changed by editing one word-reprobate.

God works through his word,so if you don't have his word you don't have God.

So in regard to me having a KJV and someone else using a different version there's inevitably going to be different words,so different words will have different meanings. There's no way we can get an Amen on anything if the words in our Bible don't have the same meaning and that's before the more difficult job of interpretation.

Based on what I read in my KJV I see reprobates as rejected by God,permanently.

did you even read my post? I can't participate in this conversation if you're not going to take it seriously.

Oldmantook · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
That is correct! Once God rejects someone it will not be changed.

The fact that you have to ask me this question is bothersome,in the sense you come in the thread arguing against something but apparently don't understand it. Some people just deny it but you seem to not even studied this doctrine. I recommend you do that as it's important.

As for all the repentance statements you made I disagree. I believe a person is saved by faith on Christ and then they never lose their salvation,so works is not necessary but optional however this thread is about Romans 1 and the reprobate doctrine.

Scripture is necessary to support your view otherwise it's merely your personal opinion.

renniks · Oct 6, 2019

Daniel C said:
I need Two questions renniks so we can understand each other better

1. Have you read the whole of Romans chapter 1
2. What Bible version did you read it in

I've read the whole Bible multiple times. I've read Romans in at least three different interpretations, KJV and NIV among them.

The Reprobate Doctrine

Do you believe God gives people over to a reprobate mind, as defined in Romans 1

Yes

No

Other

I've never heard of the reprobate doctrine

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