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Can you elaborate on the theme of the story pertaining to Christ?All of you miss the point of the story.
Job was a righteous man. That means he was blameless. Nothing he did provoked God. The point of the story was simply that there are things human beings cannot understand. Why good people suffer is one of them. Job falls under "Jewish Wisdom Literature". Now, the theme of this story is answered a bit in the New Testament by Christ's own suffering, so Job is not a complete biblical picture of the problem of suffering.
Can you elaborate on the theme of the story pertaining to Christ?
I am trying to understand what you are saying in this above portion of your postNow, the theme of this story is answered a bit in the New Testament by Christ's own suffering, so Job is not a complete biblical picture of the problem of suffering.
Did he resolve his problem?I think 1 Peter 4:12 is somewhat relative. Reading Job does give the impression of something unjustly strange was happening to him. In the end God's answer does provide him with the perspective that Job is not God. Job had to face his own inadequacy in resolving his problem.
The book of Job is very helpful and a reminder to all who will suffer. Fur Job pled and prophecied mankind's dilemma :
If only there were a "datsman" between us who could lay his hand on the both of us and bring us together
There is:
CHRIST JESUS
and Job, not understanding that he is in service to us said:
I know my redeemer lives and after my flesh has been destroyed still and even in my own flesh my eyes shall see HIM standing upon The earth in the last days
Exactly. Which is why many will in the end when the season of "Job" is upon them , look up , curse/blame their God and King and be cast into utter darknessI believe Job was a faithful and erudite man, but I still dont think it is helpful for people who are suffering, because I don't think the story was about suffering. It was about trust in God, IMO.
Job is an atypical example; he was not suffering like one would think before, and he was restored back to a multi-millionaire with kids and wife afterward. It isn't like he was homeless, unemployed or destitute to begin with, which is the allusion the "satan" made when he told God Job loves Him because he is protected. In that sense, I find Job unrelatable.
Losing all of your kids is terrible, though. But, Job was already a spiritual ringer because God chose him from the beginning. Many people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between God''s punishment/lifted hand of protection, and an exercise in faith and trust - especially if you aren't righteous as Job.
It is very easy to show faith in seasons of sunshine. Another thing completely in seasons of "Job"I believe Job was a faithful and erudite man, but I still dont think it is helpful for people who are suffering, because I don't think the story was about suffering. It was about trust in God, IMO.
Job is an atypical example; he was not suffering like one would think before, and he was restored back to a multi-millionaire with kids and wife afterward. It isn't like he was homeless, unemployed or destitute to begin with, which is the allusion the "satan" made when he told God Job loves Him because he is protected. In that sense, I find Job unrelatable.
Losing all of your kids is terrible, though. But, Job was already a spiritual ringer because God chose him from the beginning. Many people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between God''s punishment/lifted hand of protection, and an exercise in faith and trust - especially if you aren't righteous as Job.
Job never cursed God. He wished for an intercessor who could plead his case with the God.Do you think he just 'thought' to curse God and die but didn't voice it??
Did he resolve his problem?
Or did he just have to wait until this season passed?
Great response. I just am not sure that Job viewed his righteous works as anything before GOD. If he did he would have listened to his foolish friends falsely misrepresenting GOD as a respector of persons and he (Job) would have opened his mouth and "stated his case" before.GODJob never cursed God. He wished for an intercessor who could plead his case with the God.
God said to Job, paraphrased....
"When you (Job) can do all these things, I (God) will agree with you that your own Right hand can save you."
Job believed that all the righteous things that he did in service to God and his family, would save him and his children. God was pleased with the things that Job did, as God Himself said that Job was righteous.
Job realizes it isn't enough to do things, even righteous Godly things, only the sovereign God's mercy and grace could do that.
Job repented and then everything was restored to him. God made him a priest to offer sin offerings for his friends.
Job never cursed God. He wished for an intercessor who could plead his case with the God.
God said to Job, paraphrased....
"When you (Job) can do all these things, I (God) will agree with you that your own Right hand can save you."
Job believed that all the righteous things that he did in service to God and his family, would save him and his children. God was pleased with the things that Job did, as God Himself said that Job was righteous.
Job realizes it isn't enough to do things, even righteous Godly things, only the sovereign God's mercy and grace could do that.
Job repented and then everything was restored to him. God made him a priest to offer sin offerings for his friends.
Exactly... Job was dwelling in his own righteousness that is of the tree of good and evil. For him to be brought into the tree of life he had to achieve God's righteousness. He was stripped of everything, just as we're stripped of the old man. Being that was the OT times presumably he was clothed in God with the power of priesthood to sacrifice for his friends (who were every form of legalism) There was no indwelling or abiding at that time
Perhaps the whirlwind was the breath w/o the fire
No. Job was not full of himself
No. Job did not view himself as more righteous than any other which is why he would not listen to his well-meaning but ignorant of Who GOD is "friends" telling him to state his case before GOD
As if he could somehow remind GOD of the list of his most righteous works!
Job couldn't and he wouldn't
Job understood by opening his mouth before GOD, he not only exalts himself to a level equal with GOD( as if the two of them could come together and sit side by side and discuss his case) but he also, by opening his mouth, deems and judges his brothers as "less righteous/less worthy" than himself
No he didn't voice it
Not even once
Cassia,
What do you mean by "abiding/remaining" in Christ?
From what I know, the reason Job suffered was to test his faith in God. He lost everything and became ill, but still stayed with God. But I haven't read Job in a while, and my memory doesn't serve me well in most cases, so it'd be best to get a second opinionSo, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?
Oh I know what it is and I understand what it is. And I also know that in the last days many will "go out" and make manifest by what they do that their idea of "abiding" was simply an outward profession of lip service to THE NAMEI'll hold to my own integrity as to the righteousness of my answer, altho God may disagree. The only way that I can be right is if I am come from a place of abiding. Anything less may be of good report but it will not be of God.
miknik do a wordstudy on abiding...
This was one of the works he did. He made sacrifices for their atonement. Not that, that was an unrighteous work but a work none the less. Can the blood of bulls and goats save?Further Job already did the work of praying for his children every day lest they had sinned against GOD. Further showing that he did not believe his works could save him or his family
I agree that they were a thorn in his side, all but the youngest, who kept his mouth shut waiting for his elders to give Job wisdom. When they didn't Elihu spoke up.And the only reason Job who had initially said he would not open his mouth lest his mouth cause him to sin was because of the constant urging and added torments of his "friends" who would not keep silent
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