The Reason Why Job Suffered?

[mark kennedy]

OK, then you're simply denying what God said in Job 2:3.

Well, ok, but remember God didn't actually afflict Job, that's important:

The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.” (Job 2:6)
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God permitted that but God refused to move his own hand against Job as Satan wanted.

Good point.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[ewq1938]

Job was innocent, but he lacked understanding about Gods ways not being our ways. He probably knew it, but his suffering was too great and his mind tried to comprehend it. Job was not self righteous, he was just enduring a great hardship, and he was just a man who needed to learn more about God. That's true of everyone. Our flesh is a burdensome thing, we all struggle in it. James says Job was an example to consider, Jobs patience is noted. I believe that and I see how we all struggle, especially myself. Job was not a self righteous hypocrite. He quickly humbled himself at Gods rebuke, and that's something the Pharisees could never do. They were self righteous.

That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.

 

[W2L]

That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.

He was not self righteous in my opinion, he was instead a man suffering greatly. His mind was on the brink of insanity I assume.

 

[Job8]

So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?

God focused on His own glory, majesty and sovereignty, so Job never heard directly from God as to why He suffered. But God had already commended Job as a righteous man, and now He brought him to repentance for his self-pity. So the lesson is that the righteous will suffer, but will also be rewarded in the end.

 

[Job8]

That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.

Job was not self-righteous but righteous, and he honestly stated his righteousness to his friends. Since God called him righteous, we must accept God's assessment.

 

[Fireinfolding]

When Job said,

Job 2:10... What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?


Then says,

In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

It doesnt seem to be wrong to acknowledge the above as coming by his hand even if given into anothers hand because He ultimately has the power over whoever is given power over you (even in our afflictions)

Here it says

Psalm 119:75 I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.

Even though such afflictions fell upon Job (even as by Satan) into whose hand Job was given (as by the LORD) it still says in respects to Satan

1Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

We are perfected through sufferings even

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

So our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory 2 Corinthians 4:17

Paul said also,

1 Thes 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

Even as Jesus informed Simon that Satan desired to sift him as wheat, he seems to be asking for the same permissions he was before, but even Jesus (the tried stone) was led of the Spirit (and not so that God tempt him) but rather "to be" tempted by Satan while led by the Spirit out unto him to give it a shot.

 

[miknik5]

Like I said, he handled things well at first but then he handled everything poorly which resulted in God literally chewing Job out for a few chapters, putting him in his place then Job realized how awful and wrong he had been and repented. That's what the book speaks about. And the lesson is is we can fail but through repentance we can be saved.

he handled nothing poorly until he opened his mouth before GOD "disturbing GOD'S (good) council

There was no reason for Job to repent until after he was made aware that GOD had not forsaken him and that all things were under HIS Sovereign control.

Job repented of this only...that he did t realize that GOD had all things under HIS Sovereign control and nothing was outside of HIS Sovereign control including Job throughout his sufferings

Which is why he said. I spoke of things that I did not understand things too hig for me to know I know that you can do anything and there isn't anything that anyone can somehow accomplish over your plan and will

This is why he "despised himself"

 

[ewq1938]

he handled nothing poorly until he opened his mouth before GOD "disturbing GOD'S (good) council

No, he handled a lot poorly, and sinfully.

There was no reason for Job to repent until after he was made aware that GOD had not forsaken him and that all things were under HIS Sovereign control.

Actually he repented when God made it clear he was wrong about everything he said about God that was negative.

Job repented of this only...that he did t realize that GOD had all things under HIS Sovereign control and nothing was outside of HIS Sovereign control including Job throughout his sufferings

Job repented of his terrible sins.

 

[W2L]

When Job said,



It doesnt seem to be wrong to acknowledge the above as coming by his hand even if given into anothers hand because He ultimately has the power over whoever is given power over you (even in our afflictions)

That's true but the assertion being made by some posters is that Job was under Gods wrath, which doesn't seem correct. Also, scriptures are being debated here, and if a scripture says that Satan is moving God against Job, that doesn't necessarily mean that God did move against Job. In essence though you are correct, nothing happens without God allowing it.

 

[W2L]

No, he handled a lot poorly, and sinfully.





Actually he repented when God made it clear he was wrong about everything he said about God that was negative.




Job repented of his terrible sins.

Job was a fine example of humbleness. He was nothing like the self righteous Pharisees. I am delighted when I read Jobs words. He shows human weakness yes, which is good because we are all weak, but his example of great humility in the end was inspiring. You see a self righteous sinner in Job, like his friends probably saw too, but I see a humble man who had a great battle in the spirit, and I see a son of God who was taught by God.

 

[ewq1938]

Job was a fine example of humbleness.

Only at the beginning and the end....not during the very long middle part.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

He was not self righteous in my opinion, he was instead a man suffering greatly. His mind was on the brink of insanity I assume.

What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.

 

[W2L]

Only at the beginning and the end....not during the very long middle part.

Job was an example of imperfection. No man is so perfect that he will be better than Job. We all learn over time. Job was not proud but was under great stress and was fighting a great spiritual battle of the mind.

You see imperfection and think that is sin, but that's because you are trying to think with legalistic reasoning rather than spiritual reasoning. In my opinion.

 

[miknik5]

The reason why Job suffered was not because he sinned.

It was because the hedge was removed

Only at the beginning and the end....not during the very long middle part.

That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.

If JOB was so self-righteous, he wouldn't have needed a "Daysman" (reference Job9)

 

[W2L]

What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.

All I know is that I cannot compare Job to a self righteous Pharisee. I see Job more as an apostle type person, who endured great hardship, and although he despaired of life, he still was very humble minded. To think that Job should have handled his great anguish in a better way it to think Job should have been perfect. Job learned from his experience unlike a self righteous person, like the Pharisees who never learned anything. I see Jobs pathway as our own. Its not self righteousness that Job had to repent of, but his lack of faith during hardship. Job showed faith at first, but then after his wife abandoned him he probably sunk deeper into tribulation, and when he opened his mouth after many days of silence, his friends only accused him. Perhaps they should have been quiet.

 

[miknik5]

All I know is that I cannot compare Job to a self righteous Pharisee. I see Job more as an apostle type person, who endured great hardship, and although he despaired of life, he still was very humble minded. To think that Job should have handled his great anguish in a better way it to think Job should have been perfect. Job learned from his experience unlike a self righteous person, like the Pharisees who never learned anything. I see Jobs pathway as our own. Its not self righteousness that Job had to repent of, but his lack of faith during hardship. Job showed faith at first, but then after his wife abandoned him he probably sunk deeper into tribulation, and when he opened his mouth after many days of silence, his friends only accused him. Perhaps they should have been quiet.

Yes. Lack of faith...

Like a crisis of faith.

 

[W2L]

Yes. Lack of faith...

Like a crisis of faith.

Crisis, that sounds like Jobs situation.

 

[miknik5]

Crisis, that sounds like Jobs situation.

it is easy to have and show faith in seasons of plenty

Another thing to have and show faith in "seasons of Job"

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.

All I know is that I cannot compare Job to a self righteous Pharisee. I see Job more as an apostle type person, who endured great hardship, and although he despaired of life, he still was very humble minded. To think that Job should have handled his great anguish in a better way it to think Job should have been perfect. Job learned from his experience unlike a self righteous person, like the Pharisees who never learned anything. I see Jobs pathway as our own. Its not self righteousness that Job had to repent of, but his lack of faith during hardship. Job showed faith at first, but then after his wife abandoned him he probably sunk deeper into tribulation, and when he opened his mouth after many days of silence, his friends only accused him. Perhaps they should have been quiet.

That may be according to the letter the right way of thinking about it but in the context of spiritual lesson I think it fits well with the book of Hebrews example.

 

[miknik5]

That may be according to the letter the right way of thinking about it but in the context of spiritual lesson I think it fits well with the book of Hebrews example.

By the way. Accrediting satans work to GOD just as accrediting GOD's work to Satan is blasphemy

In fact it is what Christ said to those who claimed that HE cast out demons by beelzebub