The Reason why Christians Sin!

[Lemmiwinks]

The reason Christians sin is because they are human.

 

[gideon army]

Be ye therefore perfect , even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect .

Do you not know that is is written:-

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

To understand Hebrews, one must know that Paul is writing to the unsaved Jews thru their unbelief that Christ is their Eternal Lamb of GOD whom Shed Blood has Perfected them for all eternity once they believe onto Christ.

No one is righteous. Perfection is attained at death for Christians.

As show above, all Christian are Eternally Perfected forever regardless of their actions, now here in this life on earth for Daddy GOD sees the believers IN Christ Jesus.

you might ask on what authority did i make that 'assumption'? We are all hidden IN Christ Jesus, therefore in John's epistle also to the Jews, he wrote:-

1 John 4:17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

Question: Is Jesus in Heaven now sinful? Is Jesus Glorious in Heaven now? Is He Fully Loved & Accepted by Daddy GOD? Imagine Scriptures only need to say 'Just as HE was' & it would be good enough yes? Why? Simply because whatever Jesus Prayed, His prayers are always answered plus that small truth in Daddy GOD opening up the Heavens to declare Openly & audibly twice that ' He is My Beloved Sin in whom I AM well please'

However Scriptures specifically going to great lengths that He (Daddy GOD) made us accepted in the Beloved. Eph 1:6

Imagine Jesus heard the very Audible voice of HIS Daddy in the River Jordan "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt 3:17) which all around can heard & it's way before Jesus Performed any Miracles just before HE went into the desert/wilderness to be tempted by Satan. Wanna see how Satan tempted Jesus?

Matt 4:3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread."

Compare & Contrast Matt 3:17 versus Matt 4:3, noticed how the Devil Happened to DROPPED off the term BELOVED?

Read for yourselves, in all the temptations- the Devil always make it as though Jesus is just the Son of GOD which HE is but drop of any endearment

What does this tells you? Adam was told by GOD that he could FREELY eat of ALL the Trees (Including the tree of LIfe) but just do not eat from 1 tree (Gen 2:16-17) , wow- Imagine Adam/Eve had the whole wide earth at their disposal, isn't our Daddy Lavish to the point of insanely extravagant? However did the devil not come to eve & ask her ' did GOD said that you CANNOT eat from EVERY tree'? (Gen 3:1) Can you not see how cunning the devil is, satan trick is always the same.

However satan tried making GOD look stingy to Eve & Adam & how satan again tried making Jesus feel that He is just a son instead of GOD's Beloved are being done the same way to christians.

example: Long before sins can enter the life of a child/ grown up, he/she must feel neglected/ unloved & unwanted before they do silly things like taking drugs/ sleeping around & much more. However if the truth is know that deeply Loved/ greatly desired/ highly favored kids whom their parents have shown them will always (usually) win in the fight of life.

Therefore many Christians/ Pastors & so forth are 'accidentally' doing the devil's work in telling the believers that GOD will judge them for their sins which it couldn't be further from the truth for GOD did & has already JUDGED all believers sins (from Adam till the very last men that will ever lived on earth) on the Body of Jesus Christ & it was accomplished when Jesus Cried 'It is Finished'!

Yo, have you known any christian dead or alive living the life of Jesus HIMSELF? Pure/Holy in thoughts/words/feelings & acts 24/7? (If that person dead or alive could then he/she could also & world have accomplished all the miracles Jesus did, e.g. walking on water ina stormy condition in the middle of a deep lake for starters) A Christian Life is not diff, it's utterlly Impossible to live & only Jesus Himself can!

However Christianity isn't a religion, it's a personaly relationship which the focus is on Christ & nothing of the Believer for it's written:-

2 Cr 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

The above verses referring to us having a revelation knowledge of Jesus Christ Himself (be it via reading scriptures or hearing anointed sermons reaffirming that you are the Righteousness to GOD IN Christ) & it's always HIM. Note that we only need to Behold HIS Glory & not our GORIES? Have you also not noted that it's the Spirit (Jesus Himself) transforming us & not us -ourselves?

Let it be known on record that i am not promoting a sinful/ immoral & licentious lifestyle, on the contrary, i hate sins but it's the brunches & not the root of our problem. We need to know more of Christ, the beauty/ the Majesty of Himself & all his works for without HIM, we can do Nothing (John 15:5)

Ever wondered 1 of the armor of GOD is the Breastplate of Righteousness? (Eph 6:14) If one is to read the full context from where i've taken scriptures, you'll note that once after putting on God's armor, we stand against the Devil However Breastplate in ancient times cover the soldier chest yes? Now the chest contains nearly all of one's vital organs right? Isn't it ironic that the devils have been using good meaning christian & pastors alike in stripping every christians Blastplate of Righteousness? No wonder so many Christians are into a sinful life without Power of GOD?

If sins are obsticles to GOD's power then pray tell me why all the very sinful ppl in the Gospels all recieved from Christ Himself- healed/ Prospered/ Made Whole?

 

[Meet me at the cross]

Why do you bring the law into this. For what the Law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, comdemned sin in the flesh.
That is why Christ came and died to show us a better way, and give us power over the flesh.

You have avoided my questions again, proves you tremble in fear.

Let me try again using a different question.

Which of the 10 Commandments are we free to willfully violate and break in the New Testament?

 

[Meet me at the cross]

For if you live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey, We are Spiritual beings on a human journey.

The reason Christians sin is because they are human.

 

[razeontherock]

gideon army brings up some good points, one of which is our breastplate of righteousness. There is tremendous detail to this, and of course it is Jesus Christ Himself, because he is our righteousness. Anyway I have a very detailed study of it in a thread by that name in the Deeper Fellowship sub-forum.

 

[Aibrean]

For if you live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey, We are Spiritual beings on a human journey.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

 

[bling]

Born again and saved Christians still keep on sinning because they were born sinners and we have a sinful nature. Paul explained that he kept on sinning because it was THE SIN IN HIM causing him to sin, but he HATED to sin. He didn't say he kept on sinning because he liked it, he said he sinned and he hated it.

Did you ever notice in Rom 7:15 Paul was saying that he hates what he was doing and not doing what he wanted. Paul wrote that many years after having been saved, yet he was still sinning terribly. Paul taught that “the sin in me” is causing me to sin.

Before you take off running with a few verses like Rms. 7:14-25 you need to understand the context. At least start with verse 7.

Do you realize that most of the book of Mark was written in the present tense (the historic present tense)?

Do you know why Mark wrote that way?

Do you know when the historic present tense was used and especially for the Romans living in Rome?

Could Paul be using the historic present tense in Rm.7:7-25 and would it fit the style and culture of his readers and are there clues to help us?
You pick up with verse 14, but earlier we see in verse “9… but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.” So when did this happen in Paul’s life? (age 10 maybe?)

Saul was a wretched man, but Paul was not a wretched man. Paul had the indwelling Holy Spirit living in him and powering him with the strength to be more than a man and defeat Spiritual beings (demons and satan).

There is no good reason for Christians to sin, but there is an excellent reason non Christian’s sin. Sin has a purpose for non Christians and everyone starts out as a non Christian. Sinning by the Christian can tell him/her is not being led by the Spirit, so seek another path.

I have been around Christians that do not sin (for hours, days, weeks, months, years I do not know), but that was not their objective and should not be our objective. Sin is not the problem (it is forgiven), but doing good (allowing the Spirit to work through you) all the time 24/7 is our privilege and honor and by the way He does not sin. We get caught up trying to keep from eating from the one tree, when we can be filled from the thousands of other trees in the Garden. Look at what we have and quit staring at what we can’t have. Don’t just sweep all the sin out of your house and leave it unfilled.

 

[Meet me at the cross]

You may be, but for me, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I do not frustrate the grace of God; for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

 

[Aibrean]

I was quoting the Bible in reply to you. My point is The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

 

[ILoveTheTruthJC]

<font face="Calibri"><font size="3">Before you take off running with a few verses like Rms. 7:14-25 you need to understand the context.
You are uneducated in Bible, YOU have not understood Paul in context.

 

[Aibrean]

I have understood the context. We are born dead to the spiritual. It is by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the gospel that we come to Christ. Our faith and the Holy Spirit enables us to understand the spiritual things and overcome our human desire to sin.

The law was a guardian to the spiritual, paving the way until Christ came to be our new guardian.

 

[gideon army]

Before you take off running with a few verses like Rms. 7:14-25 you need to understand the context. At least start with verse 7.

Wondered if any ever bothered to look up 'SIN' in the book of romans & check how many times it is used as a VERB & Noun? Believe all readers here understands the Diff between Verb & Noun?

Now, Bling, you were saying that one needs to understand everything in it's context?

 

[JContinuum]

Wondered if any ever bothered to look up 'SIN' in the book of romans & check how many times it is used as a VERB & Noun? Believe all readers here understands the Diff between Verb & Noun?

Yep, in Romans 6 it is mostly a noun. In the Greek it is thee sin or the sin nature

 

[gideon army]

Yep, in Romans 6 it is mostly a noun. In the Greek it is thee sin or the sin nature

JContinuum, do apologizing for disappointing you

Actually in the BOOK of Romans & not just Chapter 6, SIN is predominantly (est 95%) used as a feminine NOUN ( Person/place or thing) & since you're a Canadian then shall attached this for your reference What is a Noun?

What the Holy Spirit is illustrating to the believers are that formerlly ALL mankind are confined into the Prison (Noun =place) of sin after Adam's fall & there's Nothing one can do via self works will transport the person into a Noun place of Righteousness.

However in the NT= New Covenant, Jesus represented ALL Believers in Him whom have transported all believers in Him into the Noun place call- Righteousness by Faith in believing HIS Finished work, hence Scriptures says it's a Gift which is from Christ's & one can better it nor 'work' at it & the believers can NEVER loose it or else it's NOT a Gift

If there's any 'Loosing' of Christ's Gift of Righteousness, it only comes about when the Believer choose to revert back into self righteousness via self works thru the Law of the 10 Commandments which 90% of Christiandom are practicing

 

[Meet me at the cross]

I have only been here a short time, and yet, what I see makes me not want to post here.
I have witnessed anger, resentment, self-righteousness.
Scribes, Pharasee's and Hypocrites.
Many believing they know scripture. And they do, but what they know is head knowledge.
One should take what is taught by Christ and not keep it in the head, but apply it to the heart. Let the fruit grow.....

Mark 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty , and some sixty, and some an hundred. KJV

So how much fruit do you wish to bear, after all, the thirty fold fruit is still in good ground.

 

[gideon army]

Mark 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty , and some sixty, and some an hundred. KJV

So how much fruit do you wish to bear, after all, the thirty fold fruit is still in good ground.

Question: The seed decides how much fruit it yields or GOD? It smacks of Self Righteousness in focusing on the Believers does it not when it should be GOD Almighty Himself

 

[Meet me at the cross]

No, it does not. The seed is the word of God, so it can bring forth 100 fold fruit. It is the ground that decides how much it will yield, so to speak.
If the ground is properly prepared that it will bring forth 100 fold fruit, if the ground is not prepared and not given the proper watering, nutrients, and sun, than the yield becomes less.

God wishes us to bring forth 100 fold fruit.

Question: The seed decides how much fruit it yields or GOD? It smacks of Self Righteousness in focusing on the Believers does it not when it should be GOD Almighty Himself

 

[ILoveTheTruthJC]

I have understood the context. We are born dead to the spiritual. It is by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the gospel that we come to Christ. Our faith and the Holy Spirit enables us to understand the spiritual things and overcome our human desire to sin.

The law was a guardian to the spiritual, paving the way until Christ came to be our new guardian.

The Bible says we are all born sinners, Psa 51:5, 58:3 etc. So we need to be born again of the Holy Spirit. But how can we enter into our mothers vomb and be born again Jesus was asked? Well the answer is: We place faith in Jesus, then Jesus' Holy Spirit birth is given, credited and imputed to us. So now, legally, we were born 2000 years ago "IN CHRIST", because Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit so now we are legally born of the Holy Spirit.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[ILoveTheTruthJC]

...Righteousness by Faith in believing HIS Finished work, hence Scriptures says it's a Gift which is from Christ's & one can better it nor 'work' at it & the believers can NEVER loose it or else it's NOT a Gift . If there's any 'Loosing' of Christ's Gift of Righteousness, it only comes about when the Believer choose to revert back into self righteousness via self works thru the Law of the 10 Commandments which 90% of Christiandom are practicing

I have some problems with your message, and you actually contradict yoruself when you said believers can NEVER LOST IT, which I agree with btw, but then you go on and say that some do lost it! You contradicted yourself!

However, I do agree with part of what you said.

But here are the problems I have with your post:

1. Once a person genuinely and sincerely comes to Christ, they are given ETERNAL LIFE! If they are given eternal life, it cannot transform into "temporary life" because then it would not have been eternal life to begin with and then the Bible contradicts itself!

2. Bible says nobody can snatch the saved out of Jesus' hands!

3. Those who "revert" and turn from Christ were never sincerely born again in the first place.

 

[ILoveTheTruthJC]

I have only been here a short time, and yet, what I see makes me not want to post here.
I have witnessed anger, resentment, self-righteousness.
Scribes, Pharasee's and Hypocrites.
Many believing they know scripture. And they do, but what they know is head knowledge.
.

You just described YOURSELF!! Too busy condemning us that you cannot see your own sin!


Matthew 7:1-4 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?