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The Reality of Christmas – from a Christian’s perspective.

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Once again this year the seasonal battle is on. Institutions and the media are struggling with politically correct ways to wish their supporters the best of the season while Church leaders mount their own soap boxes with sermons and messages meant to preserve a quaint nativity story. The ongoing debates rage on; should we or should we not take the Christ out of Christmas.

There are multiple points to this debate that seem to get conveniently overlooked by the Christian community. Points such as:

1) The true roots of the December 25th date is entirely pagan. This is a date that has been appropriated by Christian leaders in an attempt to stamp out traditional meanings. Until AD 354 the birth of Christ was celebrated on January 6th.
a. Mid winter fertility festivals were first celebrated in ancient Babylon, Egypt and in the Germanic regions.
b. The birth of the ancient sun-god Attis in Phrygia and the Persian sun-god Mithras were celebrated on December 25th.
c. The Romans celebrated Saturnalia, a festival dedicated to Saturn on December 24th. During this festival, public places and homes were decorated with flowers and candles and gifts were exchanged. This tradition continues today.
d. Scandinavia is responsible for the festivities known as Yule. A secular festival celebrating the end of the growing season and the start of winter. The burning of the Yule log is completely embedded in the pagan worship of vegetation and fire as well as being associated with magical and spiritual powers.
e. The Celtic culture is responsible for many traditions considered today to be Christian. Mistletoe and holly were used to decorate homes and altars as symbols of fertility.
f. Evergreens were brought into pagan homes and decorated as a reminder that winter will end and the gods will once again bless the inhabitants with warm weather.
2) Most of these pagan celebrations included raucous partying, gift giving and gluttonous eating and drinking; much the same way Christmas is celebrated today. This is a stark contrast to the simplicity of the nativity.
3) Christians do not even agree on what sect started using this date as the birth of Christ. Even today the debate continues between the Catholic and the Lutheran churches in Germany.

I wonder if appropriating these traditions and calling them Christian really serves to take away their power. After all are these principalities not part of what the church is fighting against.

No argument made by any church can take away the stripped down fact that every year, millions of devoted Christians world wide adopt pagan rituals to participate in the year’s biggest celebration.

So the question remains, should we take the Christ out of Christmas. Absolutely, the nativity does not belong there. Biblical scholars agree that it very unlikely that Christ was born in December favoring the month of September as a more likely time.

Seems that the best solution to this would be to give the pagans back their holiday and have a nice simple celebration of the birth of Christ sometime in September.

…and if we time it right, it would not even have to interfere with our annual Socialist Labor Day celebrations.

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Biblical scholars agree that it very unlikely that Christ was born in December favoring the month of September as a more likely time.


I'm in agreement with you. Even had a pagan/atheist (well, he didn't seem to know what the heck he was so how the heck am I supposed to know!) expound on the history of Christmas being stolen from pagan and wanting his stuff back! But I'm curious about the September thingie. Why to scholars think this? Thanks for your help.
 
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We don't know the exact day of Christs birthday, but we know that he WAS born into this world, so the important thing is to selebrate THAT.
Anyway, we NEED a "party" during the cold, dark winter. Before, people made sacrifices (followed by a big party) to other gods etc. at this time of the year, so it was clever of the church to replaice that with a christian celebration (couse nowone want's to cancel a party).. OK, might not be the main reason, but never the less...

Anyway, I wish you all a Merry CHRISTmass!!!
 
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Gaudete said:
We don't know the exact day of Christs birthday, but we know that he WAS born into this world, so the important thing is to selebrate THAT.
Anyway, we NEED a "party" during the cold, dark winter. Before, people made sacrifices (followed by a big party) to other gods etc. at this time of the year, so it was clever of the church to replaice that with a christian celebration (couse nowone want's to cancel a party).. OK, might not be the main reason, but never the less...

Anyway, I wish you all a Merry CHRISTmass!!!


Sure, have a party! Nothing wrong with that (unless it includes drunkeness and debaucher!). God doesn't have a problem with celebrations. But then don't say it's for Jesus' birfday. It's not his birthday, we don't actually know the date. Probably just as well. Those who practice astrology would've had a field day doing his "chart". Yeesh. Have a party, but don't make it something it's not.
 
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jande2211 said:
Sure, have a party! Nothing wrong with that (unless it includes drunkeness and debaucher!). God doesn't have a problem with celebrations. But then don't say it's for Jesus' birfday. It's not his birthday, we don't actually know the date. Probably just as well. Those who practice astrology would've had a field day doing his "chart". Yeesh. Have a party, but don't make it something it's not.

We don't say that the christmasday IS Jesus birthday, but it is the day we have chosed to celebrate it. The fact that Jesus was born into this world to save us really IS something big, and therefore we ought to "meditate" upon that. The exact date isn't important -a lot of other events aren't celebrated on the same date they occured (we don't even have the same calender now), the main thing is that we DO remember -and concider- God's grace and endless love.

(By the way, when I celebrate the birth of my Savior, it is NOT by getting drunk, but by going to the church, and by showing extra care and love to my family, friends, and fellow-humans. I hope you don't mistrust every teenager...)

:angel: [BIBLE]I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.[/BIBLE]


[BIBLE]
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.
[/BIBLE]


Peace :)
 
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Nah, it's how the RCC chose to make it the day to celebrate it so they could incorporate the pagans. I agree that the fact that Jesus became human for us IS important, for then the rest could not happen. If the Dec 25th date is so important to you as a celebration of Jesus' birthday (knowing that it isn't, even so) then buy HIM gifts and make it about Jesus.

As for me, it's a commercial decoy.



Gaudete said:
We don't say that the christmasday IS Jesus birthday, but it is the day we have chosed to celebrate it. The fact that Jesus was born into this world to save us really IS something big, and therefore we ought to "meditate" upon that. The exact date isn't important -a lot of other events aren't celebrated on the same date they occured (we don't even have the same calender now), the main thing is that we DO remember -and concider- God's grace and endless love.

(By the way, when I celebrate the birth of my Savior, it is NOT by getting drunk, but by going to the church, and by showing extra care and love to my family, friends, and fellow-humans. I hope you don't mistrust every teenager...)

:angel: [BIBLE]I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.[/BIBLE]


[BIBLE]
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.
[/BIBLE]


Peace :)
 
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If the Dec 25th date is so important to you as a celebration of Jesus' birthday (knowing that it isn't, even so) then buy HIM gifts and make it about Jesus.

As for me, it's a commercial decoy.

If people had chosen to celebrate Christmas on another day (as long as it still would be about 6 months after the celebration of John the baptist [BIBLE]Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month[/BIBLE] ) it would be just as good, but it is my opinion that it is nice when everyone is celebrating it on the same day (even if we don't know the exact day the birth really took place).
But I agree that it is a lot of "commercial decoy". Even atheists buy presents to their loved ones, and that is ok even for a Christian, as long as we don't miss the point of Christmas.
 
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