The Rapture

[eph3Nine]

The Rapture

​

Galatians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word “rapture” does not show up in your bible. However, the clear teaching concerning the event we call the rapture certainly is. Many people in religion today deny the truth of the rapture. Others try to put it in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

The reason for this is that many in religion today do not realize that the event we call the rapture is something which was a mystery and was only revealed to Paul. People try to read the rapture into passages such as Matthew 24, or the book of Revelation. That’s a mistake, because both Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation are about wrath, not rapture!

Two of the most unmistakable passages concerning the rapture of the church written by the apostle Paul are in 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing the issue of the resurrection of the dead. It seems that some people in Corinth were denying that people are raised from the dead. So the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 deals with the resurrection, first of Jesus Christ, three days and three nights after he was crucified, and then the resurrection of everyone else. You should take the time to read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Take particular notice of verses 50 and 51. You will see that Paul is saying “behold I show you a mystery.” When he talks about “a mystery” he is referring to something which was not made known to other people in other times, before the Lord revealed it to Paul. There is also a clear description of the “catching up” or the rapture of the church in 1 Thessalonians. Notice that at the end of the passage Paul says to “comfort one another with these words.” It wouldn’t be much comfort for those people to think they were going to have to go through the tribulation first would it?

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul refers to, or describes, the rapture numerous times, over fifty times, in his 13 books, Romans through Philemon. If your friends don’t like the word “rapture” just say “catch-up.” Whatever you call it, the fact is, it’s a fact!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The word “rapture” does not show up in your bible. However, the clear teaching concerning the event we call the rapture certainly is. Many people in religion today deny the truth of the rapture. Others try to put it in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
The reason for this is that many in religion today do not realize that the event we call the rapture is something which was a mystery and was only revealed to Paul. People try to read the rapture into passages such as Matthew 24, or the book of Revelation. That’s a mistake, because both Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation are aboutwrath, not rapture!

Fortunately, many are now turning back to study revelation in conjunction with Daniel 12 and Matt 24. Paul's DOL prophecies are the same one the OT/OC prophets spoke of and Jesus spoke. I study revelation using Exodus [Bondage] and Joshua [Victory].

You do greatly err in what you are advising Christians to do concerning studying the BIble.

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within/without[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

 

[eph3Nine]

No, as a matter of fact I dont err. But you can show me with scripture where you think I do. Paul is OUR apostle today...Revelation and Matthew are PROPHETIC books having to do with a program which God has SET ASIDE. We are NOT in that program today. The relevant scriptures for OUR specific admonition are those written TO and ABOUT the Body of Christ. You dont seem to know much about the organism to which you have supposedly been joined to.

Why is that?

 

[eph3Nine]

The Rapture

​

Galatians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word “rapture” does not show up in your bible. However, the clear teaching concerning the event we call the rapture certainly is. Many people in religion today deny the truth of the rapture. Others try to put it in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

The reason for this is that many in religion today do not realize that the event we call the rapture is something which was a mystery and was only revealed to Paul. People try to read the rapture into passages such as Matthew 24, or the book of Revelation. That’s a mistake, because both Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation are about wrath, not rapture!

Two of the most unmistakable passages concerning the rapture of the church written by the apostle Paul are in 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing the issue of the resurrection of the dead. It seems that some people in Corinth were denying that people are raised from the dead. So the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 deals with the resurrection, first of Jesus Christ, three days and three nights after he was crucified, and then the resurrection of everyone else. You should take the time to read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Take particular notice of verses 50 and 51. You will see that Paul is saying “behold I show you a mystery.” When he talks about “a mystery” he is referring to something which was not made known to other people in other times, before the Lord revealed it to Paul. There is also a clear description of the “catching up” or the rapture of the church in 1 Thessalonians. Notice that at the end of the passage Paul says to “comfort one another with these words.” It wouldn’t be much comfort for those people to think they were going to have to go through the tribulation first would it?

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul refers to, or describes, the rapture numerous times, over fifty times, in his 13 books, Romans through Philemon. If your friends don’t like the word “rapture” just say “catch-up.” Whatever you call it, the fact is, it’s a fact!

Read and be ENLIGHTENED.

 

[Tychicum]

You do greatly err in what you are advising Christians to do concerning studying the BIble.

Applying The Revelation or Matthew 24 to the Body of Christ is ridiculous. Ignoring the plain teaching concerning the Body of Christ is sewing confusion and preaching it is "another Gospel".


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[kenrch]

The Rapture

​

Galatians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word “rapture” does not show up in your bible. However, the clear teaching concerning the event we call the rapture certainly is. Many people in religion today deny the truth of the rapture. Others try to put it in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

The reason for this is that many in religion today do not realize that the event we call the rapture is something which was a mystery and was only revealed to Paul. People try to read the rapture into passages such as Matthew 24, or the book of Revelation. That’s a mistake, because both Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation are about wrath, not rapture!

Two of the most unmistakable passages concerning the rapture of the church written by the apostle Paul are in 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing the issue of the resurrection of the dead. It seems that some people in Corinth were denying that people are raised from the dead. So the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 deals with the resurrection, first of Jesus Christ, three days and three nights after he was crucified, and then the resurrection of everyone else. You should take the time to read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Take particular notice of verses 50 and 51. You will see that Paul is saying “behold I show you a mystery.” When he talks about “a mystery” he is referring to something which was not made known to other people in other times, before the Lord revealed it to Paul. There is also a clear description of the “catching up” or the rapture of the church in 1 Thessalonians. Notice that at the end of the passage Paul says to “comfort one another with these words.” It wouldn’t be much comfort for those people to think they were going to have to go through the tribulation first would it?

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul refers to, or describes, the rapture numerous times, over fifty times, in his 13 books, Romans through Philemon. If your friends don’t like the word “rapture” just say “catch-up.” Whatever you call it, the fact is, it’s a fact!

Jesus said He was coming after the tribulation.
The saints will have to endure, and have patience. Why would one have patience unles they are going Through the tribulation.

The Rapture is after the tribulation and before the Wrath of God.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 13:10 If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[eph3Nine]

Jesus said He was coming after the tribulation.
The saints will have to endure, and have patience. Why would one have patience unles they are going Through the tribulation.

The Rapture is after the tribulation and before the Wrath of God.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 13:10 If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The saints that will have to ENDURE the tribulation are the KINGDOM saints...the MYSTERY saints, or BODY saints will already be GONE to meet their Lord in the AIR (which is what the RAPTURE is all about)

The beginning of the Tribulation will begin AFTER the saints of THIS age, the BODY OF CHRIST , are raptured.

Then the saints of Ages to COME...KINGDOM saints , will become the focus.

Mt, Mk, Lk and Jn and Revelation are all prophetic books and belong with the OT. They are dealing with the Nation Israel and NOT the NEW creation, the Body of Christ.

 

[GLJCA]

The Rapture

​

Galatians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word “rapture” does not show up in your bible. However, the clear teaching concerning the event we call the rapture certainly is. Many people in religion today deny the truth of the rapture. Others try to put it in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

The reason for this is that many in religion today do not realize that the event we call the rapture is something which was a mystery and was only revealed to Paul. People try to read the rapture into passages such as Matthew 24, or the book of Revelation. That’s a mistake, because both Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation are about wrath, not rapture!

Two of the most unmistakable passages concerning the rapture of the church written by the apostle Paul are in 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing the issue of the resurrection of the dead. It seems that some people in Corinth were denying that people are raised from the dead. So the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 deals with the resurrection, first of Jesus Christ, three days and three nights after he was crucified, and then the resurrection of everyone else. You should take the time to read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Take particular notice of verses 50 and 51. You will see that Paul is saying “behold I show you a mystery.” When he talks about “a mystery” he is referring to something which was not made known to other people in other times, before the Lord revealed it to Paul. There is also a clear description of the “catching up” or the rapture of the church in 1 Thessalonians. Notice that at the end of the passage Paul says to “comfort one another with these words.” It wouldn’t be much comfort for those people to think they were going to have to go through the tribulation first would it?

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul refers to, or describes, the rapture numerous times, over fifty times, in his 13 books, Romans through Philemon. If your friends don’t like the word “rapture” just say “catch-up.” Whatever you call it, the fact is, it’s a fact!

This is classic Dispensationalism where a scripture is taken out of context and a meaning is placed on it which is foreign to the rest of scripture.

1 Cor 15 is not speaking of a so-called premil rapture. Here is why I am saying that.

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
This is saying that Christ is the firstfruits and then we follow Him at HIS COMING. THEN COMES THE END.

15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Now Dispensationalism teaches that after the rapture and before the millennial reign Jesus will come and put down all authority. This scripture, on the other hand, says that Jesus will not come back until the authorities have been put under His feet just like it says in the most requoted verse in the Bible.
Psa 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Heb 10:12-13 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Does the Bible say that Jesus will come and destroy his enemies? NO it says that Jesus will sit on the throne until His enemies are made His footstool.

Now Paul writes that all things have already been placed under Jesus feet.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,

GLJCA

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Now Dispensationalism teaches that after the rapture and before the millennial reign Jesus will come and put down all authority. This scripture, on the other hand, says that Jesus will not come back until the authorities have been put under His feet just like it says in the most requoted verse in the Bible.

The Righteous also stay "behind".

Matthew 13:49 so shall it be in the full end of the age, the messengers shall come forth and separate the evil out ofthe midst of the righteous,

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW7.htm

THE LAKE OF FIRE

 

[eph3Nine]

The saints that will have to ENDURE the tribulation are the KINGDOM saints...the MYSTERY saints, or BODY saints will already be GONE to meet their Lord in the AIR (which is what the RAPTURE is all about)

The beginning of the Tribulation will begin AFTER the saints of THIS age, the BODY OF CHRIST , are raptured.

Then the saints of Ages to COME...KINGDOM saints , will become the focus.

Mt, Mk, Lk and Jn and Revelation are all prophetic books and belong with the OT. They are dealing with the Nation Israel and NOT the NEW creation, the Body of Christ.

and again I say....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Mt, Mk, Lk and Jn and Revelation are all prophetic books and belong with the OT. They are dealing with the Nation Israel and NOT the NEW creation, the Body of Christ.

Yep, that is how I see it.

Gala 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar -- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai [Israel of the Flesh/Law] in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children -- 26 but the Jerusalem above [Israel of God] is free, which is the mother of us all.

Reve 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his messengers [Israel of God/Saints] fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his messengers [Israel of the Flesh/Law] fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

Is the Pretribulation Rapture Biblical? by Brian Schwertley
Although the pretribulation rapture doctrine is very popular and is even considered so crucial to Christianity that it is made a test of a person’s orthodoxy in some denominations, Bible colleges and seminaries, the exegetical and theological arguments used by its advocates are all classic cases of forcing one’s theological presuppositions onto particular texts (eisegesis). The purpose of this brief study is to show that the pretribulation rapture theory is not plainly taught or directly stated in any place in Scripture, cannot be deduced from biblical teaching, contradicts the general teaching of the Bible regarding Christ’s second coming and was never taught in any branch of the church prior to 1830.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Looking/Looking9.htm
LOOKING FOR HIS APPEARING

This distorted conception of the return of Christ, and its purpose, caused the Church of England scholars to translate the Greek word PAROUSIA by our English word "coming," when its real meaning is "presence." In their twisted theology there was simply no way in which Christ could be present in the earth for more than a few hours. He was to return, and rapture His people almost immediately away to heaven, so they could not conceive of His coming meaning His PRESENCE. The word PAROUSIA is used twice in the New Testament when it does not apply to Jesus, but to the apostle Paul. These uses of the word establish its real meaning. Paul expresses others' appraisal of him, saying, "His letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence (PAROUSIA) is weak" (II Cor. 10:10). And again, writing to the saints at Philippi, Paul says, "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence (PAROUSIA) only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12).

 

[eph3Nine]

Applying The Revelation or Matthew 24 to the Body of Christ is ridiculous. Ignoring the plain teaching concerning the Body of Christ is sewing confusion and preaching it is "another Gospel".


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Amen and Amen, Tychie! Why do folks ignore PLAIN teaching about the Body and try to place us under a program that has been SET ASIDE?????

It IS the preaching of another gospel indeed...they are ONE gospel BEHIND.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Tychicum
Applying The Revelation or Matthew 24 to the Body of Christ is ridiculous. Ignoring the plain teaching concerning the Body of Christ is sewing confusion and preaching it is "another Gospel".

That is why we must hurry to get the Jews into the "Body of Christ" otherwise we will be watching this from Satellite TV.

{Young) Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written. 23 `And woe to those with child, and to those giving suck, in those days; for there shall be great distress on the Land [Israel/Judea], and wrath on this people;

 

[foundinHim]

(Phil.3:14-21)
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

"high calling" = "calling" on "high" = the "calling" above

I can hardly wait to have this "filthy rags" flesh "fashioned like unto His glorious body".

Let us keep our eyes on Christ and behold His glory!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

I already have Jesus for my, Lord, King and Savior, so why should I still be looking for Him?

Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slaughtered, And have Redeemed Us [Israel/Judah] to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

Ezekiel 37:22 "and I will make Them [Israel/Judah] one Nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one King shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

 

[GLJCA]

Quote:
Mt, Mk, Lk and Jn and Revelation are all prophetic books and belong with the OT. They are dealing with the Nation Israel and NOT the NEW creation, the Body of Christ.
Yep, that is how I see it.

I realize that this is not something new but I have to disagree with both of you.

The Book of Revelation was written to the Seven Churches of Asia which were not Jewish churches. That fact is being ignored because it destroys the presuppositions of Dispensationalism. The letter was written to warn them of the coming great tribulation under the AntiChrist Nero Cesear, whose name calculates to 666 and who meets all of the other attributes of the man of sin.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

I already have Jesus for my, Lord, King and Savior, so why should I still be looking for Him?

Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slaughtered, And have Redeemed Us [Israel/Judah] to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

You should be looking for Him to come in the AIR to recieve you unto Himself...in the RAPTURE>>>>>>>that is the great HOPE of the church which is His BODY! We are also promised a crown for loving His appearing...arent you aware of that?