The Rainbow and a local flood

[ShilohCity]

If Noah's flood were just a local flood, then God is a liar.

"I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life." Genesis 9:13-15

We see devistating floods all the time. We see pictures from around the world showing homes, streets, entire towns underwater. Now if God set a rainbow as a sign of His promise that He would never again do what he just had done, then he broke His promise.

 

[mhess13]

AMEN
Also the "local flood" crowd in their attempt to fit long ages in w/ the Bible place death before sin. This also makes God a liar

 

[PaladinValer]

What the heck does this have to do with evolution?

In addition, the Flood was localized, but the people thought it was the whole world because of their ignorance of the rest of the world. The effect remains the same.

 

[Chi_Cygni]

Well I guess your God is a liar. Pity, it doesn't make my God a liar. See the weakness of attaching a fully literal interpretation.

 

[mhess13]

Well I guess your God is a liar. Pity, it doesn't make my God a liar. See the weakness of attaching a fully literal interpretation.

Your god isn't a liar. He can't lie, he's a figment of your imagination.
God left us His holy word!!!! He didn't leave it for us to spiritualize and allegorize to accommodate the pagan theory of evolution

 

[Chi_Cygni]

mhess13,

you are obviously that brand of fundamentalist who is utterly convinced your personal interpretation is correct and that anyone not in complete agreement with you is a heathen or pagan or unbeliever, take your pick.

It's not worth discussing anything with someone so blinkered.

Of course I'm sure when it comes to understanding evolution or science in general you don't have a clue - but of course that doesn't stop you being certain you are right and everyone with a different opinion or interpretation is wrong.

 

[artofwar]

but the flood covered the whole earth , not just locally that was God's promise

 

[PaladinValer]

Who wrote Genesis? The Hebrews
Did the Hebrews know of the "Americas" or "China" or even "Europe?" No.
Is there any archaeological proof of a global flood? No (Unless you wish to count the frauds and "science-twisters")
Is there any archaeological proof of a massive flood that would have been located where the Hebrews knew of? Yes (Black Sea and Mesopotamia both have been documented to have had catastrophic floods; the Black Sea is the permanent consequence of one of them)
So does it make logical sense that there was an actual global flood? No
Does it make logical sense that the Hebrews were referring to "all the world" by their limited capacity of knowledge? Yes
Thus was the flood local yet gargantuan in size? Yes

A little bit of sense and reason is all that is needed.

 

[Card42]

i'm not certain of this
but i think there are several
non-middle eastern civilizations
(the Japanese, for example)
that have unbroken histories
for the range of possible years
of a global flood 4-5k years ago.

 

[PaladinValer]

For there to be a global flood, there must have been a single, unbroken ring of deposite that would only equate to have being dumped by a flood.

There is no such ring. As I said, if you wish to site "science-twisters," feel free, but it doesn't actual count for anything. No united ring=no global flood.

 

[artofwar]

yes i see but just because someone hasnt found it doesnt mean it hasnt happened , there is heaps that Archeologists havent discovered or found , was anyone in the Americas at that time any way?

 

[PaladinValer]

They've drug to the supposed point in many areas of the world. No ring. There was no global flood. It is a mythical story that teaches moral and religious truths, not history.

 

[mhess13]

mhess13,

you are obviously that brand of fundamentalist who is utterly convinced your personal interpretation is correct and that anyone not in complete agreement with you is a heathen or pagan or unbeliever, take your pick.

It's not worth discussing anything with someone so blinkered.

Of course I'm sure when it comes to understanding evolution or science in general you don't have a clue - but of course that doesn't stop you being certain you are right and everyone with a different opinion or interpretation is wrong.

I am the brand of Christian WHO BELIEVES the Bible. Calling me a fundamentalist is a wonderful complement! You don't have to be in agreement w/me. Man's opinion is useless. WE need to be in agreement w/ the Bible.
If you don't believe the Bible and have more in common w/ atheists--maybe that should give you a clue...

 

[Dracil]

There *is* something called bibliolatry...

There is a fine line between believing the Bible, and worshipping it. I suppose one of the symptoms of bibliolatry is when one thinks that their fallible, human interpretation is the Word of God and everyone else who doesn't accept that may as well be atheists. Not that I'm pointing to anyone of course.

 

[Smidlee]

For there to be a global flood, there must have been a single, unbroken ring of deposite that would only equate to have being dumped by a flood.

There is no such ring. As I said, if you wish to site "science-twisters," feel free, but it doesn't actual count for anything. No united ring=no global flood.

Of course this is based on own understanding of nature and how God could have done it also how did God rebuild the earth after the flood. It possible God removed a lot of the damage that a world wide flood would do. Also it maybe God will to destroy most of the evidense of this flood since this point to the judgment in the future (which is revealed by scriptures not by science). According to scripture God didn't warn people before the flood by science but by Noah , a preacher.
Well, I can't speak for God on this but In the book of Job it very obvious Job three friends was totally wrong about God and what God would or wouldn't do.

 

[ShilohCity]

There is a fine line between believing the Bible, and worshipping it.

I agree. But i don't think that relying on it is worshiping it.

The Word is Jesus Christ, but today we only know anything about Jesus by the preserved revelation of Him and that is the Bible.

 

[ShilohCity]

For there to be a global flood, there must have been a single, unbroken ring of deposite that would only equate to have being dumped by a flood.

Why must there be a single unbroken ring?

 

[PaladinValer]

Of course this is based on own understanding of nature and how God could have done it also how did God rebuild the earth after the flood. It possible God removed a lot of the damage that a world wide flood would do. Also it maybe God will to destroy most of the evidense of this flood since this point to the judgment in the future (which is revealed by scriptures not by science). According to scripture God didn't warn people before the flood by science but by Noah , a preacher.
Well, I can't speak for God on this but In the book of Job it very obvious Job three friends was totally wrong about God and what God would or wouldn't do.

I'm not impressed by logical fallacies. Please restate with logical reasoning.

 

[PaladinValer]

Why must there be a single unbroken ring?

Otherwise it wouldn't be a world-wide flood.

 

[Dracil]

I agree. But i don't think that relying on it is worshiping it.

The Word is Jesus Christ, but today we only know anything about Jesus by the preserved revelation of Him and that is the Bible.

*ahem* I'm not Protestant.