The Quiverfull movement

[Caitlin.ann]

The Quiverfull movement, a movement which preaches having as many kids as "God" blesses you with (so no birth control) in order to have them live in his glory and spread Christianity through child bearing. The Duggars are members of the Quiverfull movement.

What are your opinions on this movement? Good? Bad?

 

[brinny]

It's THEIR business and God's.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

It's THEIR business and God's.

Sure..we can't discuss it? The Duggars are only an example, they don't have to be "condemned" in any discussion. Quiverfull is a philosophy, philosophies can and should be discussed.

 

[mont974x4]

It's a bad idea. It ignores the many reasons God gave us sex and places all the weight on one reason. It acts as though we are commanded to have all the kids we can possibly have, and we are not. It has been used to demean and demoralize couples that have chosen to not have kids, and those who cannot have kids. It's proponents can end up with more kids than they can reasonably care for and places them in a position to constantly be supported by the Church and by tax payers...which is irresponsible and unbiblical.

 

[Steezie]

It's THEIR business and God's.

Bull, if they're pumping out kids that are consuming resources and negatively impacting the world around them then it BECOMES my business

 

[PassionFruit]

The having children part doesn't really bother as much as other aspects of the movement. It's the reasons for having children that bothers me, the women in this movement just feel like that's their only purpose in life is to be a wife and mother. I don't have problems with women choosing this path, but I do have a problem when women believe that's all their good for. So yes, I don't like the strictly defined gender roles.

I have to question whether these women really want children or not, because they're having children because they have to essentially.

Also, what bothers me is that girls aren't encouraged to pursue (not even bible college!!) higher education . I would think this would be important since Quiverfull families are advocates of homeschooling. I have heard they do take home economic courses and such, but nothing beyond that. This is what I have heard, for the most part.
Here's a site about woman who was involved in this movement but left it.
http://nolongerquivering.com/

 

[Steezie]

As I've voiced before, I have serious concerns about a child raised in an environment with many brothers and sisters. Children need love an attention from their parents and they need acknowledgment. In a situation where you have so many kids, you just cant give every child what they need. There isnt the time, the energy, or even the money to let that happen.

On top of that, it hangs a question mark over WHY you're having the kids. You're having children not because you want to, but because you HAVE to. That's a pretty poor message to send to your kids, "You are here because God said you had to be, not because I actually wanted you."

This movement sounds like it's encouraging child abuse (and yes I consider having families with so many kids you cant properly care for them all to be abusive) and setting people in general back.

 

[brinny]

Sure..we can't discuss it? The Duggars are only an example, they don't have to be "condemned" in any discussion. Quiverfull is a philosophy, philosophies can and should be discussed.

On thinkin about this, i s'pose yer right...i admit i don't know much about the "movement". I was initially reacting to people in general stickin' their nose yet one more time in the private affairs of others.

It's worth a'talkin' about...i jumped the gun a bit there. I'll tarry awhile and read a bit more here.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
It's THEIR business and God's.

Bull, if they're pumping out kids that are consuming resources and negatively impacting the world around them then it BECOMES my business

i'm giving some further thought to this movement. I agree with your response partially. The part about "consuming resources", i have issues with.

 

[BlackSabb]

The Quiverfull movement, a movement which preaches having as many kids as "God" blesses you with (so no birth control) in order to have them live in his glory and spread Christianity through child bearing. The Duggars are members of the Quiverfull movement.

What are your opinions on this movement? Good? Bad?

What utter nonsense! The problem with having a "quiverfull" of children is that not all of them will necessarily be straight bows.

 

[Bro_Sam]

the women in this movement just feel like that's their only purpose in life is to be a wife and mother.

Yeah, and we all know that nothing could possibly be worse than to be a wife and mother.

Also, what bothers me is that girls aren't encouraged to pursue higher education.

Where on Earth did you get this idea?

I would think this would be important since Quiverfull families are advocates of homeschooling. I have heard they do take home economic courses and such, but nothing beyond that. This is what I have heard, for the most part.

To borrow a line from Casablanca, "I am afraid you've been misinformed."

 

[Gishin]

Yeah, and we all know that nothing could possibly be worse than to be a wife and mother.

If I was a woman, and that was all I could ever hope to be, or do with my life, regardless of what I wanted...

Well yeah, it's a form of slavery. It's only purpose is to propagate patriarchy.

 

[mont974x4]

being a wife and mother is a noble thing. Most men do not have what it takes.

 

[brinny]

being a wife and mother is a noble thing. Most men do not have what it takes.

i've NEVER regretted being a mother...even when i was pregnant with my 3rd child, and accompanied by 2 little ones, ages 2 and 5 and we literally slept on the street, in the cold, on an October night...

God continues His lineage through the children He gifts us with.

 

[lordbt]

Bull, if they're pumping out kids that are consuming resources and negatively impacting the world around them then it BECOMES my business

I still dont see how that makes the number of children I choose to have any of your business. If the resources I use dont belong to you, then it is none of your business. If it is your business, how do you plan to stop me?

 

[The Nihilist]

being a wife and mother is a noble thing. Most men do not have what it takes.

Specifically, most men do not have a hooha.

Bro Sam, that is not how the line went.

 

[Bro_Sam]

If I was a woman, and that was all I could ever hope to be, or do with my life, regardless of what I wanted...

But who says they're being forced?

Well yeah, it's a form of slavery. It's only purpose is to propagate patriarchy.

How so?

 

[dinonum]

Personally, I think it's a to each their own type issue. I have a few different opinions on matters of whether it's abusive, the impact it has, etc.

Haha, this gets me into a whole other set of issues. We support overpopulation simply because we insist on relying on things like medicine and are constantly seeking things to keep us living longer. I think that if people who have multiple children learn to accept death and sickness, then I'm more comfortable with them having multiple children.

Otherwise I think it's important that families who follow this movement are still open to the fact that God uses us in multitudes of ways, not just through producing children (who may or may not still be Christian's when they come of age) and such.

 

[mont974x4]

Specifically, most men do not have a hooha.

Bro Sam, that is not how the line went.

Specifically men do not generally have the compassion, the patience, or the ability to multi-task that it takes to raise children and manage a home.

 

[ke1985]

Its wrong. No one needs to have that many kids and the parents cannot possibly divide their time equally among them.

It's just foolish.