The protestant Churches

[Searching_for_Christ]

Why do all the Churches that claim to base their beliefs on the bible alone, seem to always split, and differ? Why does that Baptist Church, come away with different beliefs as apposed to the Methodist Church, or the Anglican Church?

As an protestant I can cite my own Church. Every protestant Church has believers that congregate, and almost everyone has a differing view from the other, because they study on their own outside of Church. My pastor will admit that if he says something wrong that "congregants need to tell him" this means that we all congregate with individual heretics, and the pastor opens himself up for the possibility of being a heretic by saying he might not be right!

–noun
1.
a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.


If we base our beliefs soley on the bible, and the interpretation of such is made by us alone being supposedly guided by the Holy Spirit, then one must only conclude..that we have heretics in our midsts! As an example some in my Church believe in the Monergistic view of salvation as apposed to synergism...now this means that one or the other is a heretic!

Yes this could be said of folks in apostolic Churches..but I don't believe they let you interpret the scripture outside of the authority of the Church...so there may be heretics within those Churches as well...only they cant air out their dirty laundry like those who are in protestant Churches........

 

[MKJ]

I' not sure what kind of response you are looking for here Searching.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Nor am I...I had a beef/question of sorts that I couldn't think of where to air it out..so I decided to air it out here...sorry.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Nor am I...I had a beef/question of sorts that I couldn't think of where to air it out..so I decided to air it out here...sorry.

Air....breath in....breath out.....

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And the seventh messenger did pour out his vial to the air, and there came forth a great voice from the sanctuary of the heaven, from the throne, saying, `It hath come!'

 

[daydreamergurl15]

It has to do with doctrinal issues and people's opinions and interpretations (sadly on all 3 accounts). I know of congregations and denominations that split because of the color of carpet (and yes, I'm being serious), I'm sure that wasn't the underlying problem but that issue really pushed people over the edge. I've also known of congregations that have split because of the subject of baptism and I don't really understand why.

 

[NvxiaLee]

Why do all the Churches that claim to base their beliefs on the bible alone, seem to always split, and differ? Why does that Baptist Church, come away with different beliefs as apposed to the Methodist Church, or the Anglican Church?

I don't think there is very much variation in beliefs in the Protestant church, at least among Christians who really believe the Bible... which is few.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't think there is very much variation in beliefs in the Protestant church, at least among Christians who really believe the Bible... which is few.

Ya mean there are some that do not believe the Bible

 

[New_Wineskin]

If we base our beliefs soley on the bible, and the interpretation of such is made by us alone being supposedly guided by the Holy Spirit, then one must only conclude..that we have heretics in our midsts!

That is only if there is a stated standard for some topic on which they differ . If it is a doctrine which is not included in the "statement of faith" of the group , people can have differing beliefs without being a heretic of the group .

As an example some in my Church believe in the Monergistic view of salvation as apposed to synergism...now this means that one or the other is a heretic!

You didn't mention that your group has a definitive statement on the subject one way or another . So , that doesn't mean that .

Yes this could be said of folks in apostolic Churches..but I don't believe they let you interpret the scripture outside of the authority of the Church...so there may be heretics within those Churches as well...only they cant air out their dirty laundry like those who are in protestant Churches........

You betcha !! There are quite a lot of Catholics who don't consider that they need to attend Mass *every* Sunday . And , the group is cool with that as they don't say anything concerning this during the Christmas or Easter meetings where many do decide to attend that may not other times of the year .

 

[New_Wineskin]

I've also known of congregations that have split because of the subject of baptism and I don't really understand why.

I can certainly see why on that ... if some expect all to proceed with the ritual and some want leeway for people to decide if and when to do so , that could easily end up in a good portion leaving .

 

[razeontherock]

Here's a thought:

if all cities had only "1 true church," Hagia Sophia would be record-breaking for being small. Maybe denoms aren't so bad, but merely accommodate the diversity of personality that G-d weaves into a tapestry?

 

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[from scratch]

Why do all the Churches that claim to base their beliefs on the bible alone, seem to always split, and differ? Why does that Baptist Church, come away with different beliefs as apposed to the Methodist Church, or the Anglican Church?

As an protestant I can cite my own Church. Every protestant Church has believers that congregate, and almost everyone has a differing view from the other, because they study on their own outside of Church. My pastor will admit that if he says something wrong that "congregants need to tell him" this means that we all congregate with individual heretics, and the pastor opens himself up for the possibility of being a heretic by saying he might not be right!

–noun
1.
a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.


If we base our beliefs soley on the bible, and the interpretation of such is made by us alone being supposedly guided by the Holy Spirit, then one must only conclude..that we have heretics in our midsts! As an example some in my Church believe in the Monergistic view of salvation as apposed to synergism...now this means that one or the other is a heretic!

Yes this could be said of folks in apostolic Churches..but I don't believe they let you interpret the scripture outside of the authority of the Church...so there may be heretics within those Churches as well...only they cant air out their dirty laundry like those who are in protestant Churches........

So is being wrong on occasion the same as being a heretic? Is saying something different from the group think being a heretic

 

[PaladinValer]

Anglicanism isn't Protestant. Scripture, Tradition, Reason.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Maybe denoms aren't so bad, but merely accommodate the diversity of personality that G-d weaves into a tapestry?

I would have to disagree. Christ God's prayer to The Father seems to be the opposite of this. John 17:21

Forgive me...

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Anglicanism isn't Protestant. Scripture, Tradition, Reason.

Thats more of a nit pick, as generally only Anglo-Catholic, and High Church fellas would make this claim. The larger more evangelical bunch of Anglicanism generally consider themselves protestant.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Why do all the Churches that claim to base their beliefs on the bible alone, seem to always split, and differ?

1. Why does the RCC agree with NONE but itself ALONE - even if we just limit that to DOGMAS, issues of highest importance and relevance? It differs with EVERYTHING and EVERYONE - even on the very highest level possible. Why?



2. If we accept the claim that Jesus founded the RC denomination, why did the two largest splits in the history of Christianity involve it?



3. Protestants do not regard denominations to be needed or divinely established; there is NOTHING to suggest they exist at all. They are voluntary associations of congregations, which create them. That association may or may not always be best for every congregation for all eternity. Some 7 years ago, I joined a Bible study. Last year, I left. It was a helpful, good thing for 6 years, then not so much and I joined a different one. Does this have any profound, eternal, divine significance? I think not.



4. Divisions are not always over dogma. Denominations may "split" over polity, practices, proceedures, governance - even jurisdictions (for example, the only significant "split" in my denomination happened some years ago when the congregations in Canada formed their own denomination simply because they were Canadian; it's now two separate denominations although there is NO doctrinal difference between us - or any other difference known to me, just one now an association of USA congregaions and the other Canadian congregations).



5. It is true that not ALL Christians agree with ALL Christians in ALL matters. Never have. It's true for those in "Apostolic" denominations too (OOC, EOC, RCC, LDS). I've never met two Catholics who agreed, and we all know the RCC, EOC, OOC, and LDS agree with NONE but self). Why? Well, that's another issue for another day and thread: Ego has something to do with it, embracing our speculations has something to do with it, embracing different customs and cultures and practices has something to do with it, not being able to definitively resolve issues has something to do with it. Just ask: Why can't the RCC agree with ANY but ITSELF? That will "answer" it as well as anything.







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[Rick Otto]

Here's a thought:

if all cities had only "1 true church," Hagia Sophia would be record-breaking for being small. Maybe denoms aren't so bad, but merely accommodate the diversity of personality that G-d weaves into a tapestry?

amen. breathing room.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Do we see any Apostle embracing diversity?

What examples could be shown?

Forgive me...

 

[mark46]

Yes, many Anglicans have the same beliefs as evangelical Protestansts, with no belief in Tradition or the sacraments.

And yes, Anglicans left the RCC so they are therefore Protestant, by definition.

For me, the more useful division is not between the RCC and the rest. For me, there are the apostolic Churches who confess one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church and those who do not accept the visible Church or the sacraments. The division for me is between apostolic churches and non-apostolic churches. It is indeed true that many within any individual church do not accept the teachings of their Church.

In the end, it is indeed as the OP stated. There are those churches who believe in the BIBLE ALONE and those who do not believe this doctrine. Personally I would NOT put Anglicans or Methodists in this group, although many within their ranks would accept this characterization.

Thats more of a nit pick, as generally only Anglo-Catholic, and High Church fellas would make this claim. The larger more evangelical bunch of Anglicanism generally consider themselves protestant.

 

[Noxot]

diversity of peoples. jews, romans, greeks, ect. wise people, dull people. tax colllectors, fishermen. rich and poor. noble and slave. people from all walks of life.

but yeah, it is a painful thing when so many of us believe so many different things. who is able to be molded by Christ and His angels?