The problem with "Every man is a potential rapist"

[Gadarene]

A woman who is unaware of this and engages as such a man in what she considers casual petting only to declare she wants to stop might find a problem on her hands because of his vehement insistence that he cannot. That insistence might even impel him to try to force her to continue. Now, this fellow did not plan to rape the woman but found himself doing so and then regretting it. So all rape isn't premeditated but can occur under such a circumstances. That is why marriage is recommended if we are under severe sexual pressure as the Bible tells us.

See, @Paidiske, @KTS, @Zoii - this is where your rape culture is.

Not in being told that you don't get to profile men in a way that we don't accept being done to every other demographic out there.

But you and your men-as-potential-rapebeasts mindset overlaps quite nicely with this poster's wouldn't you say?

All of your traditionalism is to be rejected.

 

[Paidiske]

The problem is that not all men have the same control ovr their passions. That can be dur=e to two factors:

1. Age
2. Heredity

You don't think character might be relevant, too, Radrook? After all, self-control is a fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Strathos]

Well every man is a potential rapist. As is every woman. And all men and women are also potential thieves, murderers, and terrorists.

That's kind of why we have laws against these things.

 

[Armoured]

The problem is that not all men have the same control ovr their passions. That can be dur=e to two factors:

1. Age
2. Heredity

Age:

During Early manhood we men are overwhelmed by CONSTANT thoughts of sex and the CONSTANT reaction of our body to such thoughts. That is why the Bible recommends that marriage is better than to burn with passion because at an early stage we men are literally on fire. If two people who are highly sexually oriented temperamentally produce a child, that child is likely to be supercharged at adolescence and manhood.. For such a man petting is like flooring the accelerator on a car accelerator and keeping it there. Stopping becomes virtually unimaginable.

A woman who is unaware of this and engages such a man in what she considers casual petting, and casually declares she wants to stop, might find a problem on her hands because of his vehement insistence that he cannot.

That insistence might even impel him to try to force her to continue. Now, this fellow did not plan to rape the woman but found himself doing so and then regretting it. So all rape isn't premeditated but can occur under such a circumstances. That is why marriage is recommended if we are under severe sexual pressure as the Bible tells us.

1 Cor 7:
8. Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. 10

Baloney.

I was a young man once. I was in a hyper masculine environment (The Australian Army) and sex took up a good amount of all my available waking thoughts. We talked about it, boasted about it, and made plans to get it. That and the specifications of weapons systems we were unlikely to ever see were the two things that we talked about. An yet, I can honestly say I have never. EVER. had sex with anyone who did not respond with an enthusiastic yes. Any man who claims to be "unable to control himself" is, IMHO, either lying or criminally insane. No third alternative.

 

[Gadarene]

That and the specifications of weapons systems

like literally or "i told her the specifications of my weapons system " ?

 

[Armoured]

like literally or "i told her the specifications of my weapons system " ?

It's not the specifications, it's how you use it.

 

[Jack of Spades]

I'm not endorsing any sort of double standard. I'm really not. That said, however, there are behaviours that are more prevalent in some groups than others, and to deny it is less than constructive.

Sure, I could possibly live with profiling if it's acceptable for every other demographic group, such as religious or racial groups too. If we don't accept that, men shouldn't be an exception of the rule.

To accept discriminatory language - even when some real problems are used as a vehicle for using it - leads to cultural consequences, and eventually to more serious discrimination. I have witnessed this first hand. I can tell a story about a moment when I woke up:

As a student, looking for an internship with my mates, we often had our teachers receive e-mails from employers who were willing to take an intern. Two employers told openly that they would only accept women and this was made known for our class.

Saying that is against Finnish law, and we made some noise about it. What did the teachers do? They ignored it. Now, if the employers had said that about women, that would have been a scandal, now it was just "boh, find another place" - type of thing. That was when I realized that there is a serious culture of discrimination in the making, and it's being actively promoted by double standard in the sexist language that makes men acceptable targets for ridicule, demeaning and belittling, without anyone making a fuss of it.

And on top of that there are feminists willingly using rape victims as human shields for promoting all those attitudes.

 

[Gadarene]

It's not the specifications, it's how you use it.

And whether you've been authorised to.

(Topical! )

 

[Radrook]

You don't think character might be relevant, too, Radrook? After all, self-control is a fruit of the Spirit.

Very true. The Holy Spirit will grant such a man a measure of control he would otherwise not possess.
But pleased note that the majority of men don't have God's Holy Spirit to help them because they don't avail themselves of such help. Additionally, a woman has a responsibility on how she affects men. Not saying that rape is justified under ANY circumstances. Every human has a right to dress in any manner chosen.;

However, a woman's body has been specifically designed by the Lord to elicit a sexually arousing reaction in us men. It is instinctual and we cannot help it. Since that is true, the a woman should be aware that her body causes arousal if exposed and that such exposure might just trigger the wrong response in an unChristian individual who:

1. Has very little control over his emotions and actions
2. Is under demonic influence

So a woman, especially a Christian woman, should dress with modesty in recognition of this unintended effect.

 

[Kylie]

Depends on the man. And yes, I have been in violent altercations with strangers before. (at least, like, half, weren't even my fault!) so I don't quite see how it's fair to get defensive around all men. I don't have an answer, though. All I can tell you is that I'm trying to raise my daughter to be a self confident, assertive and empowered woman who can look after herself in any situation, not to be a shrinking violet always fearful of attack and constantly on the defensive.

But you never have to face the threat of being attacked just for being the gender you are. I do.

And I think it's great that you are raising your daughter to be able to look after herself and be self confident and assertive. But part of looking after yourself is being prepared for trouble, and since 1 in four women will be raped in their lives, that certainly is a trouble your daughter may face. I hope she never does.

 

[Kylie]

Guys get "threatened with death and rape" for killing someone in a CoD deathmatch. And crickets from something-must-be-done brigade.

Source please.

 

[Gadarene]

However, a woman's body has been specifically designed by the Lord to elicit a sexually arousing reaction in us men. It is instinctual and we cannot help it. Since that is true, the a woman should be aware that her body causes arousal if exposed and that such exposure might just trigger the wrong response in an unChristian individual who:

1. Has very little control over his emotions and actions
2. Is under demonic influence

So a woman, especially a Christian woman, should dress with modesty in recognition of this unintended effect.

Don't worry you lot, guys walking past you in the street is still your real problem here.

 

[Kylie]

I misread your earlier message a bit.

Sure it happens, but it's not a problem related to male sex.

Perhaps you can show me where women have made such comments to men?

 

[Gadarene]

Source please.

....you don't know about trash-talking during online games? Do I really have to prove this?

 

[Radrook]

Don't worry you lot, guys walking past you in the street is still your real problem here.

I don't understand your meaning.

 

[Gadarene]

But you never have to face the threat of being attacked just for being the gender you are. I do.

....in a thread where we are literally talking about profiling men as potential rapists - and all the potential for false positives that throws up - you claim this?

 

[Paidiske]

@Radrook, Do you know that the most common clothing of rape victims is jeans and a t-shirt?

 

[Gadarene]

I don't understand your meaning.

I'm not really talking *to* you, to be honest. Just quoting your post to make a point to others in this thread.

 

[Radrook]

@Radrook, Do you know that the most common clothing of rape victims is jeans and a t-shirt?

Jeans can be very revealing and a t-shirt without a bra can seductively accentuate a woman's breasts. That is why Muslims insist that their women dress discreetly. Perhaps a general ignorance of exactly how powerful your female body is in sexually arousing a young man is the cause for this flippancy?

 

[Kylie]

Again, your stats are wrong.

And yet again, you're being inconsistent.

Then perhaps you can show me a source that claims that the 1 in 4 women will be raped is wrong?

Let's look at some parallels.

A few Muslims blow things up, people get scared and suggest profiling all Muslims simply because they are Muslim? RACIST! ISLAMOPHOBIC!

When did I ever say that ALL men should be punished for being rapists? I never did.

But like I said, 1 in 4 women will be raped. (And I'm going to use that statistic despite your whinging because you have been unable to provide a better one. You just complain about it).

When you can show that the chances of being the victim of a terrorist attack by a Muslim are the same chances that a woman will be raped by a man, then we can talk. Until then, you are just being a jerk.

Black Lives Matter is criticised because they don't factor in the fact that black people disproportionately commit more crime? No, not allowed. RACIST! WHITE PRIVILEGE!

You want to provide a source for the claim that black people are inherently more criminal than white people?