Ed1wolf said:
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abortion was legal in the 1920s in Germany, .
riv: Germany birth until 1926 abortion was illegal in all instances - both Woman and Doctor will go to jail.
In 1926 German courts state if and only if you can give sufficient evidence that the birth posses a serious danger to the mother (read death here) then abortion will be allowed.
Board definition of legal!
Actually I made a slight mistake, it became legal in 1933 when the Nazis came to power and was especially encouraged for non-Aryans.
riv: Compare this to the US - abortion where abortion was illegal and still very common, we have one statistic in the Late 20s 15k women died of abortion per year. That's just those that died.
So the US seems to be in a similar state of liberalism as Germany - probably more so on this front.
Actually that is not true. Research confirms that the actual number of abortion deaths in the twenty-five years prior to 1973 averaged 250 a year, with a high of 388 in 1948.
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In I966, before the first state legalized abortion, 120 mothers died from abortion.
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Dr. Christopher Tietze, a prominent statistician associated with Planned Parenthood, maintained that these are accurate figures, with a margin of error no greater than 10 percent.
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And in the 20's it was probably at most only twice as many as 1948. Yes, at present the US is heading toward the liberalism of Germany but hopefully not toward Nazi Germany.
Ed1wolf said:
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Germany was the first western nation with a Gay rights movement that also started in early 20th century
riv: Homosexuality up until late 1960s has always been illegal in German, Berlin was noted for being tolerant during the 1920s. But this is Berlin, and does not translate outside of Berlin (or for that matter to most of Berlin just the more educated areas).
4 Best places to be Homosexual in 1920s Berlin, New York, London and Chicago. Given 2 of those places are in the US - how was German more liberal than the US?
While technically illegal in Germany, the "grandfather" of the gay rights movement, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs had already provided the philosophical and "scientific" foundations for treating it as a psychological condition deserving sympathy rather than a moral weakness in the 1860's. This led to the formation of the Berlin Institute of Sexology in the early 20th century which started the rationalization of the behavior. It was later closed down by Nazis and its record burned primarily due to many of them containing documentation of the homosexual perversions of Nazi leaders. There were many homosexuals in the Nazi party, even while persecuting the general population of homosexuals.
riv: And lets just say the Nazi party was not a fan of the community, so the people that lead the country towards the Nazi path hated homosexuality.
Yes you are right about most of them but see above.
riv: If you are trying to argue that due to a few people having more progressive values then the right-wing nutters reacted and there was a back lash, I can see that.
But I get the feeling your trying to tell us that it was those liberals that turned to the Nazi party. So those guys sitting in a bar in Berlin having a drink with his gay friends then goes off to Vote Hitler and the Nazi party - if that is you view then your credibility is shot.
No, my point is that after Germany abandoned its biblical Christian roots in the early 20th century people "did what was right in their own eyes". IOW they made up their own moralities. The Nazi morality allowed you to murder your enemies including gays and jews and the liberals allowed you to have sex with whomever you wanted and kill unwanted unborn children. Of course the political liberals hated the Nazis and vice versa.
riv: Ed1wolf - every time we look into something you are saying we find a grain of truth followed by a load of utter rubbish. Your letting your world view lead the evidence rather than the evidence lead your world view.
Where? I have provided documentation for almost everything I have posted.