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no that is too simple they won't get it either.. but that is all about that one thing they hate so much and the source of their every problem and excuse .. ! their own free will. maybe he should take it away from us after all. not!Well, from the sound of it, you've already discounted all the answers you have received thus far and must have already formed your own conclusions. I will give you my answer which I suspect you will discount as well.
God left. Adam failed the test whereby he (and we) could have attained eternal life. Israel rejected His rule. Satan is the god of this world. God is allowing us to make our own decisions and rule ourselves.
Christ will return when we have almost totally destroyed ourselves and the planet.
he does that by wiping out the millions who cause the trouble then . then a boat load come up here and blame him for that too.Help me understand. Does this mean the god you believe in doesn't care enough to eradicate mass calamities? Or is it that he is incapable?
If nothing is impossible for God and things like genocide, the holocaust, rapes & molesting of children, famines, destructive tsunamis, destructive earthquakes and destructive tornadoes do occur, then it defines God as NOT loving.This is logical problem one. If we entertain God as we know Him philosophically, then He is definitively a paradox. Nothing is impossible for Him.It's logically impossible for an all powerful & all loving God to exist in the presence of mass calamities & mass catastrophes.
How do you know God is everywhere? Have you searched every last corner of the universe and failed to find a spot where he wasn't?But you are right, The Most High cannot exist in unholiness - no matter how minute. He destroys imperfection by consequence of His power. But, paradoxically, He is everything so, He is everywhere.
When you say "it still depends", what is "it"? Why would genocide be necessary?According to the set of principles for which mortal people live their lives - morality - it still depends. Some agree genocide is necessary, and peace is weak. Morality is anyone's game. Spiritually, what has to be done, and what is good is done.What we define as 'evil' might be subject to interpretation, but we can all agree that things like genocide, the holocaust, rapes & molesting of children, famines, destructive tsunamis, destructive earthquakes and destructive tornadoes do occur.
If God is capable of preventing the aforementioned calamities, then by definition, God isn't loving. Why? Because such atrocities do occur. A loving being who was capable of preventing such atrocities would prevent them.Just because He doesn't want them to happen, or because He doesn't prevent them from happening like we want doesn't mean He is incapable of preventing them. It doesn't even mean those catastrophes are not the best things for everyone - even victims. If you knew every possible iteration and possibility for every single quantized event, you would have insight into what the best thing for someone is, and what their end will be. He gave us examples in parents.If God loves everyone, then he would want to see that people don't suffer as a result of the aforementioned items. But since such things do occur, then we can conclude if God is all-loving, then he is incapable of preventing such catastrophes.
Most people who believe in God say he is supernatural, not natural. Can you please explain what you mean by natural?God is natural; He isn't going to use magic and make everyone love Him. He will let all of us naturally destroy or vindicate ourselves.
If he can do anything but chooses not to prevent the aforementioned catastrophes, then by definition, he wouldn't be loving.Nah. It just means He chooses not to prevent them.Similarly, if God can do anything, then he would be able to prevent all the aforementioned catastrophes. But since these things do occur, we can conclude if God can do anything, then he doesn't love humans enough to prevent the aforementioned catastrophes.
If he were all-loving, he would have to prevent catastrophes - or he would cease to be all-loving.If you watch enough Sci if movies about time travel, you will realize that sometimes people have to go through traumatic events to get to a point of reckoning, and possibly an epiphany toward a much better life. God knows everything - all possible options. Why would He intervene just because catastrophes are horrible?
If God can do anything, then he could cause the internet to be available without requiring a genocidal event to occur.Love is more than saving you out of dicey situations; sometimes it means enduring through. How do you know a particular evil genocidal event wasn't used to make Internet available - that if a certain incident didn't happen a series of events would lead to the barring of that innovation? You dont. You don't know whether or not your next breath is coming. Life is mathematical nonlinear chaotic dynamics. It is not easy to figure out, and small things (initial conditions) can greatly influence future events.
How does God get his knowledge of every possible outcome?No, it just means that is His will. Again, God knows every possible outcome to every possible perturbation and constant of every single universal system. We give Him a lot of lip, but I am inclined to believe this creation is the iteration that will provide for maximum entities that choose to love God, while at the same time allowing Him to show every bit of His character to His creation.A frequent Christian response to this is: "God has to allow these things to occur so he can accomplish some greater purpose". That in turn effectively says that God would no longer be able to accomplish this greater purpose if he stopped the rapist from raping the child or prevented the tsunami from wiping out Banda Aceh, Indonesia. And if he can't accomplish something, then he isn't omnipotent after all.
Once again, you're revealing that you hold an implicit belief that God is not all-good.He chooses what He wants to do: in really is that simple.If pressed, Christians would respond along the lines of "God doesn't prevent such calamities because it would jeopardize his omnipotence".
Why do you suppose some people hate God?Some have faith that what He does is Good, and the best for us (like you would any good parent.) Some people do not like Him, and/or downright hate and reject Him.
Your explanation fails because if God can do anything, then he can cause that incredible harvest for villagers whether the tornado occurs or the tornado doesn't occur. Or do you believe that stopping the tornado would diminish God's omnipotence?Why does it fail? If a tornado in Joplin is allowed, nonlinear chaotic dynamics may yield an incredible harvest for villagers across the world - villagers who may have been earnestly praying and staying faithful. It could also serve as a test of faith for people in Joplin - especially if they claim faith in Him. There are literally infinite reasons why God would allow a tornado in Joplin out of expressing all of His character. One of them includes He wills it.But if God is outside of time, then he is always omnipotent - meaning if he stopped the tornado from ripping through Joplin, then he would continue to be omnipotent. So the defense of God allowing these things to accomplish a greater purpose fails. And this in turn helps confirm that an all-loving & all-powerful god doesn't exist.
What exactly do you think the purpose of my agenda is?I hold an implicit belief that is the purpose of your agenda.
If God didn't allow evil, would he still be able to achieve his purpose? If not, then he isn't omnipotent. If so, then why allow evil?Evil is a tool of God, used to achieve His purpose(s).
This is a logic answer, may be you would like it.
Your explanation fails because if God can do anything, then he can cause that incredible harvest for villagers whether the tornado occurs or the tornado doesn't occur. Or do you believe that stopping the tornado would diminish God's omnipotence?
If you believe that God loves everyone and you're cognizant of the aforementioned calamities, then you hold an implicit belief that God is incapable of doing anything.God loves you. But you don't love God.
Does this one make logic sense?
Apparently he is - especially if he's posited to be able to do anything.If someone was going to die from an earthquake, and I could save them by pushing a button, I would.
But God doesn't save them, even if they ask to be saved. Is God a bad guy?
So is God the bad guy?
If you and Talquin are both really interested in finding out the nature of God and His character, I recommend a very good book for you to read. It's called "The Holy Bible" and can be found at Walmart or at many other stores.
Please explain. Why would preventing a typhoon from slamming into a highly populated area of the Philippines affect free will?To end suffering would mean you need to limit free will.
You didn't answer the question. Is he incapable of preventing the aforementioned calamities? Or does he not want to prevent the aforementioned calamities?he does that by wiping out the millions who cause the trouble then . then a boat load come up here and blame him for that too.Help me understand. Does this mean the god you believe in doesn't care enough to eradicate mass calamities? Or is it that he is incapable?
It's childish because even a child would understand it.Do you know your argument is very childish?Your explanation fails because if God can do anything, then he can cause that incredible harvest for villagers whether the tornado occurs or the tornado doesn't occur. Or do you believe that stopping the tornado would diminish God's omnipotence?
I never claimed God loves everyone. Please don't put words in my mouth.According to you, God loves everyone. So God makes everyone have everlasting happy life.
Is that what you like to see?
If God didn't allow evil, would he still be able to achieve his purpose? If not, then he isn't omnipotent. If so, then why allow evil?
It's childish because even a child would understand it.
I never claimed God loves everyone. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Same old, same old...
This question has been demonstrated to be self-contraditory, pointless and silly. It has been answered countless times by many different people.
Here it is again.
Someone answer this: Why do atheists keep beating a dead horse? I mean, everyone salutes those with 'grit' and 'stick to it' attitude. But this is past farce.
Atheists claim ignorant Christians discredit Christianity. In some cases, I agree. Therefore, the same atheists have to admit: stupid atheists discredit atheism.
Same old, same old...
This question has been demonstrated to be self-contraditory, pointless and silly. It has been answered countless times by many different people.
Here it is again.
Someone answer this: Why do atheists keep beating a dead horse? I mean, everyone salutes those with 'grit' and 'stick to it' attitude. But this is past farce.
Atheists claim ignorant Christians discredit Christianity. In some cases, I agree. Therefore, the same atheists have to admit: stupid atheists discredit atheism.
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