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Then how did heat transfer happen?Hi, RedAndy
Prior to the Fall, there was no death of man or animals. In addition, the Second Law of Thermodynamics didn't exist.
But today, we march to a different set of drums --- and yes --- they work just fine --- (if you consider approaching maximum entropy "just fine").
In Eternity Future, we'll go back to the way it was before the Fall --- (with a couple of exceptions).
Then how did heat transfer happen?
So what would happen if I shot you in the head?Prior to the Fall, there was no death of man or animals.
Then how, pray tell, did life exist?In addition, the Second Law of Thermodynamics didn't exist.
There is nothing to suggest that the physical laws have, or indeed can, change.But today, we march to a different set of drums --- and yes --- they work just fine --- (if you consider approaching maximum entropy "just fine").
What makes you think that in this 'eternity future' the physical laws will change? If you are going to quote the Bible, I'll preempt that and ask why the quote is at all valid (i.e., as opposed to me quoting something I just wrote down).In Eternity Future, we'll go back to the way it was before the Fall --- (with a couple of exceptions).
Wow, You learn something new every day.
So there was no second law of thermodynamics before the fall which unfortunately means there was no life before the fall.
So my question to you AV...What the heck fell?
Romans 8:20 said:20 For the [universe] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope...
Romans 8:22 said:For we know that the whole [universe] groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
So what would happen if I shot you in the head?
Then how, pray tell, did life exist?
There is nothing to suggest that the physical laws have, or indeed can, change.
What makes you think that in this 'eternity future' the physical laws will change?
If you are going to quote the Bible, I'll preempt that and ask why the quote is at all valid (i.e., as opposed to me quoting something I just wrote down).
- There will be no more death or sorrow.
- Animals won't have their killer instincts anymore.
- We'll have no need of the sun.
So there was no Free Will before the Fall? How, then, did the Fall occur?You wouldn't have --- there was no sin as yet.
Then why assume the Second Law did not exist?I don't know.
Cyclic logic. This unknown only exists because of the 'barrier', and this 'barrier' only exists because there is this unknown.Precisely --- science today cannot tell you how science on the other side of the Genesis Barrier worked.
These would not be changes to the physical laws, these would be changes to animal neurology and biochemistry. Indeed, there are countless examples of organisms today that do not require the Sun, that do not have killer instincts, and that do not feel death nor sorrow.
- There will be no more death or sorrow.
- Animals won't have their killer instincts anymore.
- We'll have no need of the sun.
Indeed it would. However, since this is but one point among many, we would not derail the thread. We could, if you prefer, continue this via PM, or in another thread entirely. I'm rather interested in knowing why you reject anything that is in contradiction to the (N)KJV of the Bible.This would take us off-topic.
What will we eat?
A heaven without steak would be more like hell for me.
They can syntesisize food better than star trek there. Even here, some chefs can whip up a dish that is vegetarian that is almost like meat.What will we eat? A heaven without steak would be more like hell for me.
So there was no Free Will before the Fall? How, then, did the Fall occur?
Then why assume the Second Law did not exist?
Romans 8:20 said:For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly...
Cyclic logic. This unknown only exists because of the 'barrier', and this 'barrier' only exists because there is this unknown.
I take it you assume the 'Genesis Barrier' is the point of the Flood.
Do you agree that, if we can disprove the Biblical post-Flood conditions, then we can discount the 'Genesis Barrier' and the notion of the Flood altogether?
I'm rather interested in knowing why you reject anything that is in contradiction to the (N)KJV of the Bible.
If the universe operated under different laws at one time, it would in fact, be an entirely different universe. Such a universe would present an alternate reality. We are products of, and function in, the reality we know as the present universe.
You don't know that, in fact, if man was created, that would not be true. The universe being in an eternal, stable state, then having the spiritual seperated from the physical would not be an alternate reality. It was still man, and we are their children. We simply live in a ver different world. Lifespans, plant growth rates, light, and etc.
But there was still light then, and trees, and sex, and creatures, and a sun, and stars, and cities, and buildings, and etc etc.
It is easy. The spiritual was simply temporarily seperated.It's not only fruitless to speculate on how an alternate reality might operate, but any attempt at connecting such a past with the present cannot be done.
We are not defined by the prison in which we may live, or the decor of the building, etc. To some extent, we live in a somewhat different world than a few generations ago, when there was no cars, tv, cell phones, computers, nukes, planes, etc etc.If Adam and Eve lived in such an alternate reality, we could not call them people. They would be beings, but people are a result of, and exist in the reality we know today.
The past does not exist, or the future, does it??? Yet thet did, and will. It is your present trapped mind that sets the limits, largely.This idea is fodder for fairy tales, science fiction and fantasy writers, nothing else. It's not only incomprehensible, but discussing a universe that doesn't exist, from our reality-trapped minds, is illogical. Our logic applies to this universe.
after a while people would get sick of fruit.
Well, the decay is more the negative way things change, not change itself. My body is changing, soon, unless Jesus comes first, it will be dead. The sun is 'burning out', and will not as is last forever. The stars also, some already have exploded in this state. The earth itself, like gold, indeed could not last forever as is.So, you define "decay" as change?
No decay is having the changes that happen work toward an eternal result, rather than the passing away, generally.No... decay is staying the same?
It is on the way out, so, although it takes longer than an apple rotting, yes, it is not in the incorrupible state now. It will be.So...the sun is corrupt?
No, in the new universe coming, we will live forever, and the earth stars and sun will also be forever, and there will be no radioactive decay.That would be change from one state to another... that'll never happen in heaven?
They can syntesisize food better than star trek there. Even here, some chefs can whip up a dish that is vegetarian that is almost like meat.
Well, the decay is more the negative way things change, not change itself.
My body is changing, soon, unless Jesus comes first, it will be dead.
The sun is 'burning out', and will not as is last forever. The stars also, some already have exploded in this state. The earth itself, like gold, indeed could not last forever as is.
No decay is having the changes that happen work toward an eternal result, rather than the passing away, generally.
It is on the way out, so, although it takes longer than an apple rotting, yes, it is not in the incorrupible state now. It will be.
No, in the new universe coming, we will live forever, and the earth stars and sun will also be forever, and there will be no radioactive decay.
Yes. There will be no more killing animals there for food. The lions will even eat straw like an ox, so the lambs will be safe. Etc.So according to you, the best heaven can offer (food-wise) is fake meat?
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