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The reformers were great on salvation theology, not as great on eschatology, as basically kept intact much of what Rome taught on it!BobRyan said: ↑
Where in my OP do I say "Daniel 7 says the SDA church is the remnant"?
My focus is on the actual topic of this thread.
True - because as all protestant reformers freely admitted - Daniel 7 describes 4 world empires including the fall of the pagan Roman empire - which happens long after the destruction of Jerusalem and so we have 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints that happened in real history - predicted in the 1260 year timeline of Daniel 7.
That all protestant reformers would be tossed aside as just so many JW's and Mormons would probably have been a surprise to them.
The point remains... ad hominem remarks against it not withstanding.
Daniel was addressing God dealing with Jews in the future, still yet to happen!BobRyan said: ↑
Where in my OP do I say "Daniel 7 says the SDA church is the remnant"?
My focus is on the actual topic of this thread.
True - because as all protestant reformers freely admitted - Daniel 7 describes 4 world empires including the fall of the pagan Roman empire - which happens long after the destruction of Jerusalem and so we have 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints that happened in real history - predicted in the 1260 year timeline of Daniel 7.
That all protestant reformers would be tossed aside as just so many JW's and Mormons would probably have been a surprise to them.
The point remains... ad hominem remarks against it not withstanding.
Daniel was addressing God dealing with Jews in the future, still yet to happen!
nope -- it starts with Babylon (in the past) then Persia, Greece and Pagan Rome (which was future to Daniel) -- then the fall of pagan Rome --Daniel was addressing God dealing with Jews in the future, still yet to happen!
The reformers were great on salvation theology, not as great on eschatology, as basically kept intact much of what Rome taught on it!
I am a Reformed Baptist, and while no longer holding to the pre trib Rapture view, would agree with you that the Eschatology is preMil, and nowhere near how the Sda see it as being!Scripture describes the next prophetic event as the Appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Titus 2:13...…….
“Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,”
2 Tim. 4:8...………..
“Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.”
Paul wrote to Timothy,
1 Tim. 6:11-15...………...
“...keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,”
And then we have this magnificent verse:
2 Tim. 4:1...…….
“I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:”
This is stunning. Paul mentions judgment:
a) for the living and the dead (two different groups)
b) at His appearing and His kingdom (two different times)
This may be the clearest distinction between the rapture and the second coming. The living are those who are born again, even if they are “asleep in Jesus,” or dead in Christ. The Living are judged at the Judgment seat of Christ, where Jesus will offer rewards based on our works.
Scripture puts the harpazo of the Church before the time of Jacob’s Trouble. The rapture is how the Lord removes His body from the earth prior to Daniel’s 70th week, because the Church can't be part of the time of Jacob's Trouble.
Now WHY is there discussion on IF there is a Rapture and when it takes place???????
A lot of the misunderstanding around the timing of the rapture comes from an evil root: replacement theology. This satanic doctrine falsely teaches that the Church has replaced Israel—a lie from the father of lies which results in (or at least supports) deception around the rapture. I believe the confusion or disagreement can be decreased or eliminated when we understand the purpose of the Church and grasp the distinctions between the Church and Israel.
We all have to stand before Bhema seat of Jesus,
Its days, not years!nope -- it starts with Babylon (in the past) then Persia, Greece and Pagan Rome (which was future to Daniel) -- then the fall of pagan Rome --
All Protestant Reformers knew this.
And then of course the 1260 years of dark ages.... then the Dan 7:9-10 judgment "passed in favor of the saints" -- and Paul reminds us that Christians are included in that term "the saints"
Catholics also said that about the Reformers.
Clearly we differ.
I am a Reformed Baptist, and while no longer holding to the pre trib Rapture view, would agree with you that the Eschatology is preMil,
There were pretty much A Mil, some Post Mil!True that there is pre-millenniual tribulation - but I think the Protestant Reformers -- all historicists would not object to pre-mill tribulation and no pre-trib or mid-trib rapture.
Daniel 7 is revelation 20, and Bhema Judgment is NOT the Investigative
, the reformers did great in area of salvation, but pretty much kept intact A mil theology in regards to eschatology!nope -- it starts with Babylon (in the past) then Persia, Greece and Pagan Rome (which was future to Daniel) -- then the fall of pagan Rome --
All Protestant Reformers knew this.
And then of course the 1260 years of dark ages.... then the Dan 7:9-10 judgment "passed in favor of the saints" -- and Paul reminds us that Christians are included in that term "the saints"
Catholics also said that about the Reformers.
Clearly we differ.
, the reformers did great in area of salvation, but pretty much kept intact A mil theology in regards to eschatology!
And we see that in Romans 2 and in Daniel 7
The correct method to intreprfete prophecy is in the futurist and literal mo0de, as Jesus fulfilled to a T all of the OT prophecies of His first coming, and so will fulfill all those of His Second Coming!I am certainly not in favor of A-mill but they made up for it by being historicists which was the correct model in the days of Christ for predicting the first coming of Christ based on Daniel 9. Once a method is proven to be correct -- stick with it.
, the reformers did great in area of salvation, but pretty much kept intact A mil theology in regards to eschatology!
The correct method to intreprfete prophecy is in the futurist and literal mo0de, as Jesus fulfilled to a T all of the OT prophecies of His first coming, and so will fulfill all those of His Second Coming!
Again, we see by your exegesis why so much of your theology is wrong.
It has its roots in Replacement Theology which is totally wrong!
However Romans 14:10-17 says...……
“For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” .
2nd Corth. 5:10 tells us, ………..
“We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”
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