The Pope's environmental encyclical has been released, discuss here.

[ebia]

Ah. Voluntary or paid?

Paid. Though I didn't know which it would be when I signed up. It's not possible to work there on a voluntary basis.

 

[Armoured]

Paid. Though I didn't know which it would be when I signed up. It's not possible to work there on a voluntary basis.

I see. Thanks for the info.

 

[ebia]

Any particular reason for asking?

 

[Armoured]

Any particular reason for asking?

*snort* 'cos I'm looking for a job

 

[ebia]

*snort* 'cos I'm looking for a job

Not much chance of getting one with the salvos on Nauru any more!

With decreasing numbers inside the concentration camp and more "in the community" on the island, where they get less support, I don't think anyone is recruiting much.

 

[Armoured]

No

Not much chance of getting one with the salvos on Nauru any more!

With decreasing numbers inside the concentration camp and more "in the community" on the island, where they get less support, I don't think anyone is recruiting much.

No one is.

 

[Fish and Bread]

None of the political suggestions you suggest constitute "drastic action at the policy level"

Um, the Republican Party would beg to differ with you. We Democrats tried very hard to get cap and trade through back in 2009 or so, and they killed it stone dead.

 

[MikeK]

1. I think you're conflagrating clear and definitive.
2. You're trying to imply that it is unclear about all the science. It's explicitly not.
3. You're trying to make it look like everything is up for debate and divergent views. It's explicitly not.
4. You're missing the point that it is addressed to all of good will, not just catholics; it clearly expects more divergence of opinion from outside the church than within.

The encyclical is clear that there is a big problem that requires massive and rapid systemic change to address. It even has harsh words for those who continue to deny that.

It allows room for debate about aspects of the detail.

Well stated. This is not a vague Encyclical that can be read as "you should maybe recycle your plastic water bottles." The room for debate that the Pope leaves is rather specific and efforts to say that it is not binding on Catholics to change in a big way are at best errant based on incomplete readings and at worst direct efforts to undermine His Holiness.

 

[briquest]

Statements in encyclicals like this are not infallible but Catholics must assent to them. Whether the Pope is an authority on science or not is immaterial, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences are well-qualified to make sure the Pope is as informed as anyone on the state of the science of climate change.

"QUOTE
No Catholic is free to dissent from the teaching of Laudato Si’
Catholic social teaching is a vital part of the ordinary Magisterium of the Church

One of the hymn books popular in our churches, the Complete Celebration Hymnal, contains an English version from the 1980s of the Italian hymn of St Francis of Assisi, “Laudato sii, O mi Signore” (no. 527 – it retains the Italian chorus). I don’t know how much it is sung these days but it would be good to revive it to celebrate Pope Francis’s new encyclical of the same name. UNQUOTE"
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...e-to-dissent-from-the-teaching-of-laudato-si/
"QUOTE
Has the Pope condemned the use of air conditioning? UNQUOTE?
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...e-pope-condemned-the-use-of-air-conditioning/

1 Peter 4:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
THE BISHOPS OF ROME? THE BISHOPS OF ........ ANY CITY? PLURAL 2 OR MORE PER
Titus 1:5-9King James Version (KJV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

MARRIED? WITH CHILDREN? HOLDING FAST THE FAITHFUL WORD?
Acts 2:42-47 King James Version (KJV)
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Matthew 15:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Romans 1:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Fantine]

While I think we can survive with a stable population economies would collapse with declines. Lack of consumption would result in massive layoffs and business closures our economy is built on consumption as it is.

 

[klatu]

No nonsense political editorializations on what the Pope /really/ meant. Just your thoughts and questions and such on the teaching. I'm working my way through it. So far, it looks to be exactly what we expected given the drafts that were released earlier. This is a direct challenge to every one of us - especially those of means or who live in developed countries - to aknowledge that climate change (which he states the vast majority of the evidence shows is caused by man's actions) and pollution are serious life issues that threaten the least among us and that demand our attention now and in a big way.

The pope has done nothing more than opportunistically jump on the eco bandwagon and rather too late in the day to be anything called leadership. But if you were marketing the roman catholic church, it is a brilliant strategy. Connecting 'faith' to world wide concern for the natural world and providing moral cred for those who must campaign at the sharp end of changing political minds. But at the end of the day, it will have little if any impact in the boardrooms of the destructive juggernaut of capitalism. And the pope has no authority or solutions to offer that might effect any real change. Yet it has raised an interesting and more difficult question for religion. That is, if as the church claims, we are 'children' of a creator God, then why hasn't that God and Father provided us with the necessary understanding and wisdom to care for His creation? Values self evidently absent from our species! I cannot personally think that God would want anything to do with us, except maybe to save us from ourselves, something evolution and religion have thus far failed to do!
http:www.energon.org.uk

 

[IHOM]

I havent read all the encyclical yet but from what i read it seems the pope isnt talking about the climate as in global warming or cooling but rather the climate we live in... he oppses carbon credits and he is very outspoken about the new world order poisoning the food supply with pesticides gmo's etc.. i think the pope as been as cunning as a serpent and as harmless as a dove with this encyclical.... from what iv read so far

 

[Fantine]

Using their creativity, scientists have been developing ways to save fossil fuel and decrease global warming for years. And the fuel industry has been fighting back--lowering prices to get these pesky scientists to stop.

What Pope Francis adds is the idea that it's not enough. We need to live simpler lives. That's adding a moral component. Not only alternative energy but also alternative values. Common sense has entrepreneurs scrambling to develop new products. The Pope is prophetic.

 

[IHOM]

A simpler life....my philosphy excatly

 

[James Is Back]

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[klatu]

I havent read all the encyclical yet but from what i read it seems the pope isnt talking about the climate as in global warming or cooling but rather the climate we live in... he oppses carbon credits and he is very outspoken about the new world order poisoning the food supply with pesticides gmo's etc.. i think the pope as been as cunning as a serpent and as harmless as a dove with this encyclical.... from what iv read so far

There is not a single original idea in the popes encyclical. Everything has been said before by others who have paved the way for an environmental movement. The popes PR stunt will backfire upon himself and his church as it becomes obvious just how impotent his populist propaganda is. What good is any talk of change without the means to effect that change. And the pope has nothing but empty words to offer.

 

[Armoured]

There is not a single original idea in the popes encyclical. Everything has been said before by others who have paved the way for an environmental movement. The popes PR stunt will backfire upon himself and his church as it becomes obvious just how impotent his populist propaganda is. What good is any talk of change without the means to effect that change. And the pope has nothing but empty words to offer.

The point wasn't to say anything ground breakingly original. The point was to be a wake up call to climate change denying Catholics.

 

[ebia]

There is not a single original idea in the popes encyclical. Everything has been said before by others who have paved the way for an environmental movement.

It isn't supposed to be original. It's a pulling together of themes and putting them out there to try to give the world a kick up the backside.

The popes PR stunt will backfire upon himself and his church as it becomes obvious just how impotent his populist propaganda is.

Anyone who thinks its a PR stunt or popularists (at least in the west) hasn't read it very closely.

What good is any talk of change without the means to effect that change. And the pope has nothing but empty words to offer.

I expect people said that about the Sermon on the Mount as well.

In the end, words are the only things that can will change how people think.

 

[IHOM]

There is not a single original idea in the popes encyclical. Everything has been said before by others who have paved the way for an environmental movement. The popes PR stunt will backfire upon himself and his church as it becomes obvious just how impotent his populist propaganda is. What good is any talk of change without the means to effect that change. And the pope has nothing but empty words to offer.

Where i think the pope has been clever and harmless is that he only points to the reality of taking care of our enviornment... this encyclical has clearly been push for by the globalists.... can u imagine pope denies climate change... nah was never going to happen... while the globalists have wanted a stance by the pooe to either demonise him for oppsing climate change or support him for backing their agenda to use carbon credits to fun their globalist take over....the pope has been very clever..m they cant demonise him and they cant use his words to push for carbon taxes... very clever man our pope

But now they are going to use the republican puppets to try and cause division in the church... these are very clever men to... but very dangerous

 

[ebia]

What? (And what's a globalist?). Have you read the encyclical?