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I said 'wrong' to your proposal that a beginning needs a beginner.Why not? I suppose the universe could be oscillating but it's not. Infinity vs. eternity it seems. One is an infinite duration the other no duration. When thinking about existence beyond matter I pick no duration.
A duration requires a beginning and an end
Why not? I suppose the universe could be oscillating but it's not. Infinity vs. eternity it seems. One is an infinite duration the other no duration. When thinking about existence beyond matter I pick no duration.
A duration requires a beginning and an end
A beginner that is not an effect. A self existent being.
Nope. I said it is necessary. You imagine a boundary.You said so.
Eternity primarily means changelessness.Eternity is infinity btw.
This doesn't even make any sense.Nope. I said it is necessary. You imagine a boundary.
'Changelessness' is an imaginary concept conceived by a human mind which, itself, requires the concept of change to explain changelessness.Eternity primarily means changelessness.
I still didn't state 'only' outside the universe.This doesn't even make any sense.
It doesn't matter how I responded to your original post given it doesn't alter the construction of that post.
Ironically this is how cause and effect works, my response is an effect to your post which is the cause.
The cause is not changed by the effect given it precedes it.
All you have succeeded in achieving is digging a bigger hole for yourself; you have emphasized that a first cause must exist outside the universe while at the same time denying ever having made the statement.
Death isn't imaginary.'Changelessness' is an imaginary concept conceived by a human mind which, itself, requires the concept of change to explain changelessness.
IOW, 'changelessness' cannot even be conceived independently from change .. it depends on it, regardless of the above claimed meaning.
Yeah sure you did.I still didn't state 'only' outside the universe.
And you still didn't answer the question, is there an "outside" the universe?I still didn't state 'only' outside the universe.
Exactly, deathlessness is... and deathlessness is.
The word outside isn't precise.And you still didn't answer the question, is there an "outside" the universe?
So for the same reason that deathlessness is imaginary, so too must changelessness also be imaginary then.Exactly, deathlessness is.
So God doesn't exist outside the universe. Does God exist inside the universe?The word outside isn't precise.
It's funny though, I would equate the ability to change with being alive, and the inability to change with being dead. Therefore, God must be dead. Or God is alive only insomuch, and as long as, we are alive. Which makes sense, because God didn't exist before we did, nor will He exist after us. "Us" in this case being all the stuff that changes.Eternity primarily means changelessness.
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