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Spaise said:
Maybe, you don't understand the meaning of intolerant, but it is rather apparent that i tolerate everyone. I just disagree with you. Why would i attack Christians after seeing this movie? Stop looking for pity, your begining to reach.
You show yourself to be intolerant when you refer to my beliefs as comeing out of a "little book" sorry to inform you but that is disrespectful and does show intolerance.

I didn't say you would attach christians now did I? All through this thread you are the one trying to make the case that violence may be a result of watching this movie. I'm saying that given your attitude you have shown I could also see the violence being directed towards christians. Given how you think this might be done I can use your logic to say that a person who already hates christians for spreading lies could view this film and be incited.
 
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Spaise said:
For what you'll just say "the bible said ________." The problem with your evidence is that you use the same book we're disputing.
The movie is based on the Gospels, not what you believe to be the truth. Since this is the case I can quote scripture as much as I need to.
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
The film is adapted from the accounts in the Gospels. Most Christians will know that the Jews did not kill Jesus, the Romans did not kill Jesus. Jesus CHOSE the cross. It was God's will so that we all could be saved.

Without the Cross their would be no salvation.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!
Yes! I wish people would understand that. And if they really must have someone to blame, they need only look in the nearest mirror. That was my sin on that cross. It was OUR sin.
 
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Spaise said:
I believe someone will. Me, i could care less about the movie's implications, i understand that many of them are unfounded, but i love film. You fail to realize man's ingorance and the possibility for problems. I only care about the people that could be hurt. I really wish we could here how the Jewish community sees this.
Which ones ?
Hissitic Jews
Orthodox Jews
Messianic Jews ( christians ) ?

Quod scriptos , quode scriptum ....
fact : at one point antisemitic and christian had a connection , which
came to a head during the inquisition and crusades ; some Neonazi's ;
the Klu Klux Clan members ; disciples of Louis Farikahn ; and skin heads still dislike Jews ( the minority )
fact : pharisees , saducees , and flakes betrayed Jesus
fact : all followers of " the Way - Jesus " were Jews
Fact : we are Judeo-christians
fact : the two are not one and the same
fact : all Jews are not guilty of what those who betrayed Jesus
were ....

I do not see the problem ....
 
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-Anonymous- said:
The actor who played Jesus was struck by lightning *TWICE* while filming the movie. Do you think Someone was trying to tell them something? ;)

Shucks, that's nothing. I read some guy in Florida was struck by lightning 19 times in his life. On the 19th time he died. But, just think of it. It's unusual to get struck once, much less 19 times. Was god trying to tell him something?
 
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-Anonymous- said:
The actor who played Jesus was struck by lightning *TWICE* while filming the movie. Do you think Someone was trying to tell them something? ;)

Edit: Oops, my bad. He was only struck once (it was one of the film's assistant directors that was struck twice). My apologies.

Actually, yes. He was telling him not to stand out in a thunderstorm with an umbrella. ;)
 
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Been Thinking About: Who Killed Christ?
(an article by RBC Ministries President Mart De Haan)


Could The Passion of the Christ stir up flames of ethnic hatred?

Some of our Jewish neighbors fear that Mel Gibson's film about the last hours of Christ will set the calendar back. Many remember the long history of anti-Semitism that surfaced in the writings of Church fathers, the Crusades, and the Holocaust.

Now as large numbers of people see Christ suffer in a powerful and graphic reenactment, a question surfaces. Will those angered by Christ's horrific abuse feel contempt for those whose ancestors asked for Jesus' death? Not if they listen carefully and take note of everyone who had a hand in His suffering.

The answer to who killed Christ is found not only in The Passion but also in the Gospel records. Even though a crowd of Jesus' countrymen cried out, "His blood be on us and on our children" (Matthew 27:25), Gibson's treatment shows that no group deserves to be singled out as Christ-killers. The whole picture includes a fallen angel, Jewish leaders, Gentiles, and even Jesus.

The record is compelling. First-century witnesses make it clear that Jesus had a leading role in His own death. Critics, however, have used that fact to accuse Him of insanity. In a 19th-century edition of The Freethinker magazine, G. W. Foote wrote, "Who killed Christ? Why himself. His brain gave way. He was demented. His conduct at Jerusalem was that of a maniac. His very language showed a loss of balance. Whipping the dove-sellers and money-changers, not out of the Temple, but out of its unsanctified precincts, was lunatic violence."

Foote goes on to say, "Quite in keeping with these displays of temper was the conduct of Jesus before Pilate. A modicum of common sense would have saved him. He was not required to tell a lie or renounce a conviction. All that was necessary to his release was to plead not guilty and defend himself against the charge of sedition. His death, therefore, was rather a suicide than a martyrdom . . . . As a man Jesus died because he had not the sense to live" (G.W. Foote, The Freethinker).

Jesus wasn't a victim. G. W. Foote says what biblical writers acknowledge--that the rabbi from Nazareth cooperated with those who hated Him. The record of Matthew indicates that Jesus warned His disciples on several occasions that He was going to suffer and die in Jerusalem (Matthew 16:21; 17:22-23; 20:17-19; 20:28). Even though He took action to avoid being killed before His mission was completed (John 7:1; 10:39; 17:1-4), the day came when Jesus refused to resist His accusers.

Interestingly, the accusation that Jesus wanted to die because He had lost His mind is not new. The apostle John quotes religious leaders as saying among themselves, "He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?" (John 10:19-20). To that question someone answered, "Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?" (10:21). Just as significantly, does the Sermon on the Mount reflect an unstable mind? Not according to the millions who say they have found sobriety and sanity in the mind and heart of Christ.

Jewish leaders conspired to kill Jesus. Members of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and chief priests regarded Jesus as dangerous. Publicly they accused Him of blasphemy (John 5:18; 10:30-33). Privately they resented that He had won the hearts of so many. Even though they disagreed among themselves about many things, they found a common enemy in "the rabbi from nowhere." Together they were convinced that if they didn't silence Jesus He would disturb the fragile relationship with Rome and bring into question their own leadership. So with the help of one of Jesus' disciples, they hired false witnesses, had Jesus arrested, and petitioned civil authorities for His execution.

A Gentile signed the death order. A Roman bureaucrat named Pilate played a supporting role in Jesus' death. While admitting, "I find no fault in this man" (Luke 23:4), Pilate chose to protect himself rather than the innocent teacher who stood before him. Rather than risking his own political future, Pilate gave the official order to have Jesus executed (Matthew 27:24).

Gentile soldiers treated Jesus like a criminal. Roman executioners went beyond the requirements of their profession in torturing Jesus. They mocked Him with words of scorn, bruised Him with their fists, spit in His face, hit Him on the head, thrashed Him with barbed whips, pressed a crown of thorns into His head, and led Him through the streets like a public enemy (Matthew 27:27-31). At a place of execution, they drove nails through His hands and feet, lifted Him to ridicule and stood back to watch Him die.

We too were there. In one inexpressible moment, heaven and earth crashed head-on at the crossroads of time and eternity. In principle, all of us were there.

Dr. Peter Marshall wrote, "When we are honest with ourselves, we know that we were there too and that we helped to put Christ there. Because every attitude present on that hilltop that day is present with us now. Every emotion that tugged at human hearts then, tugs at human hearts still. Every human being was represented at Calvary, every sin was in a nail, or the spear, or the needle-like thorns, and pardon for them all was in the blood that was shed."

Will The Passion of Christ or the Bible itself renew feelings of ethnic contempt? Only if we refuse to see that we were there, and that love held our Savior to that tree, not the nails.

Will the big screen make our Lord's suffering bigger than life? Only if we forget that even the biggest pictures and most graphic portrayals can only begin to tell the story.

One for all. Father in heaven, forgive us for being so casual and mindless about the inexpressible suffering of Your Son for us. Please help us to live the rest of our lives in grateful praise for the One who said, "I am the good shepherd . . . . And I lay down My life for the sheep . . . . No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again" (John 10:14-18).


Since "Who Killed Christ?" is only one of the questions that will be raised by the release of The Passion of the Christ, we have set up a Web site to provide further information not only on the film but also on the history-changing events that inspired it. You may visit this Web site by clicking here.

No subject deserves more attention and careful thinking than the death of Christ. As you are able, please check out this site. If you find it helpful, pass along the address to friends or acquaintances who you know are taking another look at the historic and heroic suffering that has been inspiring songs, changing lives, and giving undying hope ever since.
 
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Spaise said:
It's not the point that its infactual and being turned into movie, it's rather that it is being proclaimed as fact, by millions of Christians. The Gospels written years after the true events were not completly accurate. If you were trying to gain supporters would you not make things sound as sweet as possible.


Considering the gospels were still written within 100 years of Jesus is proof enough of their accuracy. 100 years in history is a blink, and historically amazing to have such an accurate account of an event so quickly after the event actually occured. The earliest one would be written 50-70 years after the actual event. You take so much history to be accurate now-a-days from accounts written hundreds of years afterwards yet you accept them as true. Why not the gospels? Most people never realize they are witnessing history and never give it a second thought to be written down. The disciples KNEW something special was going down and were sure to take note of every teaching and detail. You won't find too many documents in history with that kind of timetable.
 
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Yesm there has been a lot of discussion about the Mel Gibson movie, 'The
Passion of Christ', in specific about who was responsible for Jesus's
death. Wanted to share my perspective in relation with the crucial
question 'Who killed Jesus Christ?'

http://www.word4life.com/passion.html

Ajay
 
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I believe this is a really good movie for people understand the pain and agony of the cross. It's shows how much Jesus loved us that He would die in our place.

Some people say

"Oh, it's just a little mistake.",
"Opps, that's okay everyone does it",
"Sure, God wouldn't mind that"

God saw sin as something much more serious, something that would have Jesus go through suffer so much mockery, humiliation and pain.

But there is hope, God desires our honesty. Yes, Lord I have sinned, I am not going to try and cover up what I have done or make excuses, or call it a mistake. I am going to tell God that I am sorry, please forgive me. Let me have a fresh start at life, with my past blotted out. Jesus took it all on the cross. Let me now live for Him.

This was the most awesome decision I every made. I have made decisions that I regret till today but that is one decision I have never regretted. Has there been times of difficulty? Yes, but God's been with me through those difficulties.

If you would like to change your life for eternity, if you have questions, please email me at ajayc76@hotmail.com

Your friend,
Ajay
 
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MAN I AM LIVING IN SOUTH DAKOTA AND FIRST TWO WEEKS OF THE MOVIE TICKETS ARE SOLD OUT ALREADY!!! I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SAME FOR LOTR, SW, OR ANY OTHER FILM...

Mel spent 25 million on this film and I will hope and pray that he will make triple of that amount from the movie and use it for evangelising unreached people...
 
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Well if you think about it and you look back to the Bible, back to when Jesus was being prosecuted. He was a JEW HIMSELF. The pharisees (also the jews) prosecuted him. they were threatened by the authority of Jesus. The Jews did kill Jesus, but our sins have killed Jesus. The Jews don't want the blame for that. but in reality, we've all killed our Lord because of our sins.

This movie should not be any different from any other movie where: blacks are killing blacks, whites are killing whites, but this movie Jews killing Jews. Plus there wouldn't be any controversy unless people knew that JESUS was the true and living God.

I can't wait to watch it though. I think I'll have to bring a box of tissues. But all you people are right. A movie is not going to change your opinion or convert you to become a Christian. Only the holy spirit can do that, so I pray for that holy conviction that the spirit will bring upon you.
 
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Spaise said:
It's more towards the point i can never convince you to believe in the histories and sciences not claimed in your little book. Christians hate to think that they have been following the wrong path all this time. Being that it is unproven, means you choose to base your faith on an uncertainty. And, since i believe you want to be technical, the Gospels have been proven wrong, as has the entire bible, time and time, again.

Exactly what has been proven wrong? Where do you get your evidence?

Love-n-Blessings!
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Spaise said:
Earth wasn't made in 6 days. Evidence? 95% of the science books ever made.

Are you able to comprehend GOD's time? How long is GOD's one day, can you tell me please? 24 hours?
 
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Spaise said:
Earth wasn't made in 6 days. Evidence? 95% of the science books ever made.

Why would you have faith in science books, to begin with?

The Bible was written over approx 1400-1500 years by about 40 different authors and there is complete harmony throughout. There is science in the Bible!

Again, what has been PROVEN wrong?

Love-n-blessings!
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