The Passion

[nephilimiyr]

I believe someone will. Me, i could care less about the movie's implications, i understand that many of them are unfounded, but i love film. You fail to realize man's ingorance and the possibility for problems. I only care about the people that could be hurt. I really wish we could here how the Jewish community sees this.

OH please, you need to look at the real issues that cause anti-semitism instead of listening to fools who say that this movie is going to start hatred.
Um, so anyway, what are you suggesting? That we censure the movie all because you think someone might, might get hurt?

You really wish? You really wish we could hear how the Jewish community sees this? What, have you been living in a cave for the past several months? That's all they have been talking about when this movie is brought up on tv, how the Jewish leaders are so concerned and some even frightful of the "repercusions".

 

[nephilimiyr]

From what I understand, this film is AWESOME! It was shown in Hendersonville TN this past Monday, and there was not a dry eye in the house!

Most people know it was not the Jewish people that killed Jesus. Jesus was sent here to die.

Love-n-Blessings!
dee

The Jewish people didn't kill Jesus. The High Priest and his kronies saw to the deed and ultimatly it was Jesus who gave his life for all mankind. Yes this movie might insite one person to hate but that can be said about most movies.

Jesus asked the Father to forgive the people who put him to death, this is my example and I try and follow it every single day

 

[Spaise]

You may not know when the film Roots was originally broadcast, racial violence escalated to something not seen since the civil rights movement. I only brought this up because no matter what i say or do i can't shake the care i have for others. I in no way want to censure it but it maybe necessary to bring some more truth to those ignorant of the facts. Theres really no need for people to go to the extreme after viewing this which i am sure someone somewhere will.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am still waiting for you to answer "What is unfounded about this movie?"

 

[Spaise]

Palate being merciful as the movie portrays him. It is a known fact that Palate was merciless at one time killing so many Jews in a raid he was called back to Rome by the Emperor to explain his actions. In the film it is shown that the Jews cry out for Jesus' execution. Palate took orders from none other than the Emperor, why would he follow orders from the Jews he cared nothing for. I have yet to see the movie so i cannot state all of the problems in "The Passion". The mistakes in the historicalness of the film can be found in this weeks Newsweek, "Who really killed Jesus". They also do a rather extraordinary job into the history of the Gospels, and the accurateness of the film.

 

[Spaise]

Sorry about the link, stupid pop-ups.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Palate being merciful as the movie portrays him. It is a known fact that Palate was merciless at one time killing so many Jews in a raid he was called back to Rome by the Emperor to explain his actions. In the film it is shown that the Jews cry out for Jesus' execution. Palate took orders from none other than the Emperor, why would he follow orders from the Jews he cared nothing for. I have yet to see the movie so i cannot state all of the problems in "The Passion". The mistakes in the historicalness of the film can be found in this weeks Newsweek, "Who really killed Jesus". They also do a rather extraordinary job into the history of the Gospels, and the accurateness of the film.

Well Spaise the movie is based on the Gospels, not by how the whole world views the event. Was Gibson supposed to rewrite the Gospels so to be politicaly correct? Was he supposed to rewrite the Gospels so that it reflects what you believe to be the true story? The answer to those questions is of course not. Whether you agree with how Gibson portrays the event is a moot point.

Whatever Newsweek has to say on the matter is not authoritive!

Now I will admitt that there may be a point in the movie that might be insiteful and I will be watching closely to see if Gibson is portraying the truth. That is the scene of the crowd crying for Jesus's crucifiction. The Gospels tell us that the crowd was moved by the chief priests to ask for Barabbas.
Mark 15:11, But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them
If this is how Gibson protrays the event then he deserves credit for doing a good job but if the movie protrays the Jewish people as just being blood thristy for Jesus's death for no reason then I will agree that Gibson did a bad job.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Palate being merciful as the movie portrays him. It is a known fact that Palate was merciless at one time killing so many Jews in a raid he was called back to Rome by the Emperor to explain his actions. In the film it is shown that the Jews cry out for Jesus' execution. Palate took orders from none other than the Emperor, why would he follow orders from the Jews he cared nothing for.

Actually the Gospels show that Pilate was more than willing to release jesus. He knew if he had done so he would've had the chief priests against him. Being a governor who was already brought back to Rome to explain his actions of killing so many Jews he absolutely didn't want to cause another conflagragation. If by releaseing jesus this might've happend.
What Pilate did was let the people decide between Jesus and Barabbas. This allowed Pilate to please the chief priests and prevent another revolt and also to not have to take blame for executing a just man. The Gospels clearly shows that Pilate didn't want to execute Jesus and is why Pilate made such a show of himself by washing his hands of the deed saying Matt. 27:24, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. This is the Gospel account and it is what the movie is supposed to be based on.

 

[Spaise]

If this is how Gibson protrays the event then he deserves credit for doing a good job but if the movie protrays the Jewish people as just being blood thristy for Jesus's death for no reason then I will agree that Gibson did a bad job.

Now if i were to make a movie based off of information proven to be infactual would i not be wrong? Gospels or not they were written to gain followers even if it meant twisting the truth.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Now if i were to make a movie based off of information proven to be infactual would i not be wrong? Gospels or not they were written to gain followers even if it meant twisting the truth.

The Gospel account has not been proven wrong, ever! If you chose to believe another account then you are free to do so

 

[Spaise]

It's not the point that its infactual and being turned into movie, it's rather that it is being proclaimed as fact, by millions of Christians. The Gospels written years after the true events were not completly accurate. If you were trying to gain supporters would you not make things sound as sweet as possible.

 

[Spaise]

The Gospel account has not been proven wrong, ever! If you chose to believe another account then you are free to do so

The Gospels has never been proven correct.

 

[nephilimiyr]

The Gospels has never been proven correct.

Your the one who made the statement that the Gospels is based off of information found to be infactual, not me. Because you believe the Gospels haven't been proven correct doesn't mean it has been proven wrong. Aparrently you have made that connextion, LOL!

 

[nephilimiyr]

It's not the point that its infactual and being turned into movie, it's rather that it is being proclaimed as fact, by millions of Christians. The Gospels written years after the true events were not completly accurate. If you were trying to gain supporters would you not make things sound as sweet as possible.

Right, it's a movie about the belief people have about an event portrayed in the Gospels. Christians proclaim it as fact because they believe and know it is. If they didn't feel that way about it they would not be christians.

You make yourself sound intollerant towards people who have another belief other than yours. You make me think that the real hatred and violence that could possibly happen as a result of viewing this movie will be towards christians, not Jews.

 

[Spaise]

It's more towards the point i can never convince you to believe in the histories and sciences not claimed in your little book. Christians hate to think that they have been following the wrong path all this time. Being that it is unproven, means you choose to base your faith on an uncertainty. And, since i believe you want to be technical, the Gospels have been proven wrong, as has the entire bible, time and time, again.

 

[Spaise]

You make yourself sound intollerant towards people who have another belief other than yours.

Maybe, you don't understand the meaning of intolerant, but it is rather apparent that i tolerate everyone. I just disagree with you. Why would i attack Christians after seeing this movie? Stop looking for pity, your begining to reach.

 

[nephilimiyr]

It's more towards the point i can never convince you to believe in the histories and sciences not claimed in your little book. Christians hate to think that they have been following the wrong path all this time. Being that it is unproven, means you choose to base your faith on an uncertainty. And, since i believe you want to be technical, the Gospels have been proven wrong, as has the entire bible, time and time, again.

I do believe in the histories and sciences. Again you are the one saying it has been unproven, not me, and you continue to do so without your own factual evidence. Sorry but all you are doing is stateing your belief, you are not stateing fact.

 

[good4u]

Ya know, the big hoopla about this film being anti-semitic is just fueling the interest even more and the higher the interest level the bigger the box office draw, I hope. I hope this film becomes a HUGE commercial success, so big in fact, that Hollywood's collective anti-Christian jaw drops wide open.

Yes, Jesus did choose the cross, his life was not taken from him. However, that does not absolve the responsiblity of the Jews and their culpability in his death and their Messiah. A partial judgment was rendered by God as a result of Jesus' death upon the Jewish people, even today.

Tho' some scenes were cut that were blantantly obvious of the Jews' culpability, it is what it is and if the Jews were honest in reading their own Scriptures, they would see the truth of who Jesus was and is and who is to come. So the film is as it was. But then we shall see, won't we?

 

[Spaise]

For what you'll just say "the bible said ________." The problem with your evidence is that you use the same book we're disputing.

 

[Spaise]

Ya know, the big hoopla about this film being anti-semitic is just fueling the interest even more and the higher the interest level the bigger the box office draw, I hope. I hope this film becomes a HUGE commercial success, so big in fact, that Hollywood's collective anti-Christian jaw drops wide open.

I love Mel Gibson that's the reason i'm plugging it like this. I told everyone to go see it. Just don't jump to any conclusions.