The Passion of the Christ

[Lbiagm]

Yes we should pray for God's Will but everyone I have talked to went to see it and ended up weeped because of it but we do need to tell atheists to go see it who knows it may change their faith and the only american actor was Jim Cavizel the guy who played Jesus.

 

[his excellence]

From what I saw in our local theater , I would make an absolute fortune selling boxes of kleenex outside the theater. They were all walking out wiping eyes and sniffling.

 

[Sod]

Yes we should pray for God's Will but everyone I have talked to went to see it and ended up weeped because of it but we do need to tell atheists to go see it who knows it may change their faith and the only american actor was Jim Cavizel the guy who played Jesus.

I think this is a great movie but I did not cry though I expected to.
I have in my own mind an image of Christ and what He went through from reading biblical accounts. I find no fault in Mel's film and know he has presented this with the right motives. I also think God is using this in the lives of Christians as well as non-Christians.

I will say after seeing the movie I did cry when I went back and read Psalm 22

 

[Lbiagm]

interesting sod.

 

[quivver]

The Greatest Film I have ever seen.

 

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi all!

I posted this on another CF "Passion" thread but since i see that there are different members on this thread, I am posting it here too.

To those of you who have see the movie, as CF's resident orthodox Jew (nice to meet you too!), I am curious, especially given all the hoopla about the movie: Has it affected your attitude to contemporary Jews (like myself)? If not, why not? If so, how?

To avoid having others' views wrongly attributed to, or pinned on, me, I offer the following http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1874603#post1874603 vis-a-vis my views about the hoopla surrounding the film.

BTW, Caiphas http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=26&letter=C&search=Caiphas (Yosef Bar Caipha, to use his full name) was a Sadducee http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/sadducees_pharisees_essenes.html and therefore a heretic (in the eyes of modern Jews). His ossuary http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/jesusdays/crucifixion/#priest is at the Israel Museum here in Jerusalem.

Porcupine, your post

In point of fact, what we call "looking Jewish" is just a stereotype we have

is correct! In my neighborhood http://www.jr.co.il/ma/pic/ma012.htm, we have white Jews of European/North American background, black Jews from Ethiopia, darker/brown-skinned Jews from various North African & Middle Eastern countries & one Japanese convert. But we are all Jews, all members of one family!

Be well!

ssv

 

[Kelly]

I finally had a chance to see it. It was the most moving film experience I've ever had. It has definitely changed my faith, a spiritual 'kick in the pants' if you will.

 

[srandall]

One thing I must say - THIS IS NOT FOR CHILDREN!! This is a very harsh movie & by no means is this a movie to take a child to.

Posted this on another thread-
Went to see The Passion tonight....

My wife and I were able to go see a pre-screening of The Passion of Christ tonight. I'm still in a state of shock. I tried to prepare myself that this was going to be a very violent movie - according to everything I've been told & heard leading up to this. Nothing could prepare me. Nothing could prepare me for the impact that this movie would have. I cried. Several times I cried. There was one thing that just kept running through my mind during this movie - why? Why would He do this for me?

So is the violence necessary?
While initially shocked by the violence in the movie, I had to ask myself why
Christ had to endure such punishment. Why not just the cross? Why the scourging, the beatings, the humiliation? It's easy to say Christ died for our sins, but what does that really mean?

Satan has power over death. Why? Because God is holy and just. A single sin without Christ is a death sentence at the hands of God. Satan knows this and exploits it with us every day. Ironic that Satan's greatest weapon is God's holiness.

If, on judgement day there were no man that could say he lived a perfect life without sin, God would either have to lower the bar for all, or condemn all of humanity. In either case, Satan wins.

Christ came to earth with a full appreciation for what was at stake. The punishment he endured was the full wrath of Satan to get him to sin. In order for Him to be a worthy sacrifice for the sins of humanity he needed to endure whatever any other man might endure at the hands of the devil. Remember, all Satan needed to do was get Jesus to think one sinful thought.

So when the Roman soldiers had Christ strapped to the stump and they were delivering the brutal, horrific scourging, who do you think was in control? The soldiers? No. They were being tempted and egged on by Satan. Was Satan in control? Obviously not. Jesus never lost focus and despite Satan's best efforts, committed no sin. Not one evil thought. So the only one in control during that and ensuing scenes on Golgotha was our most worthy hero and savior, Jesus Christ. He endured, not because he was forced to; He endured because He accepted that He must. Throughout the movie, throughout the real life events that took place 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ proved that He was always in control. Jesus demonstrated for all to see that through Him, Satan can be defeated. This is why every believing Christian should go back and see the movie again. This time cheering on Jesus Christ for enduring the full extent of Satan's wrath so that we would never have to endure the holy wrath of God. Instead, at the end of time, Jesus will stand as a witness to our righteousness in Him before God and we will stand as faithful witnesses to his absolute worth as our glorious and righteous King. Amen.

 

[Lbiagm]

amen srandall.

 

[TherapyDogLove]

Hi guys! I just saw the Passion today with my dear best friend and sister
Rachel. I thought it was awesome. I feel guilty however, because the movie didn't cause me to cry that much especially since I heard about it making other Christians cry. I shed a tear at the scene when Mary rushed to help him when he fell with the flashback of him falling as a little boy. This movie didn't surprise me for the most part. I hope its not because I don't have enough heart for Jesus. I'm hoping its because I'm brave. I already knew the truth about the torment Jesus went through! I've read and study the bible and know the torment he suffered for our sins. It was what I expected. The movie theater was quiet for the most part. I heard a little sniffling towards the end from one or two people, after he had been taken down from the cross. Rachel gasped a few times and looked away. I just sat and stared. I do feel unworthy and underserving especially due to the guilt I am experiencing due to the movie not having bothered me. I hope nothing's wrong with me. Now I feel like I no longer belong as part of God's family or that I'm not really a true follower of Jesus. I know it was what Jesus had to do for us so we wouldn't go to hell. I feel like I should trade places with him. He laid down his life so we wouldn't have to go through torment.


Your sister in Christ

Janet

 

[TherapyDogLove]

I have a question about the movie....in one scene, I believe it is when Jesus is being flogged, the devil is shown holding a smaller being - what is that? Thanks.

I believe it is the Antichrist.

 

[TherapyDogLove]

Ok, 1st of all: Wombat man, you clearly misunderstand the passion and REALITY of JESUS CHRIST, and the violence and cruelty that was done TO HIM by the jews. (If there was a Jesus--provided the Book is an accurat portrayal of events 2000 years ago) Anyways, bless you anyways--if blessing you does anything, and we're all not just a bunch of crazies, with our "religion."

Ok, but anyways, 2nd of all, to the point:

So I was on my way to see Passion when my car stopped running. The car just turned off. Luckily I have an old car that doesn't have power steering and I let it roll off the road and parked it. I called AAA who towed my car home, I still wanted to see the movie (apperantly some pipe had just broke in the engine and the car was going to be fine) so I walked to the nearby 7-11 and waited for the friend I was going to go to the movies with to come and pick me up and had a coke and one of those little pre-made sandwiches. Then my friend came to pick me up and we got into a car accident in the parkinglot. We were pulling in the movie theater and some guy who had just watched Kill Bill wasn't looking and crashed right into the right rear door at a semi high parkinglot speed. So we get out and I think this guy was high on something because he just telling us about the movie and how good it was and we told him we were going to see the Passion and could we please just have his insurance information and leave. He said ok and got into his car and drove away. We called the police and they said they would send someone out there to fill out a report but it wasn't an emergency and we were already at the movie, so we were going to go to the movie and keep our cell phone on and the police officer was going to call us when he got there. So we went into the movie and paid $8.00 a piece for the movie and $10.00 or something for popcorn and two cokes and we went in the movie were I threw up and got violently ill because of the sandwiches from 7-11. I got sick the second I sat down and I threw up over the nice couple in front of me and made the whole theater smell like vomit.

Explain that to me.

Woe to you! You are cursed! Your motives for seeing this movie were not pure. I pray that God convicts you and opens your eyes. You are like one of the Pharisees challenging Jesus about paying taxes! Come to the movie with a repenant heart when you are serious about making a change and considering letting Jesus come into your heart. Then you will be able to see the movie and see what Jesus did for you. Repent! I pray for your soul.

 

[Rafael]

Hi all!

I posted this on another CF "Passion" thread but since i see that there are different members on this thread, I am posting it here too.

To those of you who have see the movie, as CF's resident orthodox Jew (nice to meet you too!), I am curious, especially given all the hoopla about the movie: Has it affected your attitude to contemporary Jews (like myself)? If not, why not? If so, how?

To avoid having others' views wrongly attributed to, or pinned on, me, I offer the following http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1874603#post1874603 vis-a-vis my views about the hoopla surrounding the film.

BTW, Caiphas http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=26&letter=C&search=Caiphas (Yosef Bar Caipha, to use his full name) was a Sadducee http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/sadducees_pharisees_essenes.html and therefore a heretic (in the eyes of modern Jews). His ossuary http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/jesusdays/crucifixion/#priest is at the Israel Museum here in Jerusalem.

Porcupine, your post

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is correct! In my neighborhood http://www.jr.co.il/ma/pic/ma012.htm, we have white Jews of European/North American background, black Jews from Ethiopia, darker/brown-skinned Jews from various North African & Middle Eastern countries & one Japanese convert. But we are all Jews, all members of one family!

Be well!

ssv

There was one thing that is not accurate in the film, but most Christians wouldn't notice. Caiaphas knew who Jesus was:

John 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

When Caiaphas torn his priestly garment in the film, it was not in anger but in abdicating the priesthood. The priests garment was double seamed and ripping it was a show of quitting.
Jesus garment was without seam:

John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

The priests garments were four parts too, and the transfer of the priesthood to Jesus was completed by three oclock when the laughtering of the lambs was to begin. It fits in with the book of Hebrews and how Jesus is our high priest today.

This wasn't shown in the Passion movie correctly, but I still liked the movie and don't believe it anti-semitic. From the verses in John, it seems to tell us that they knew Jesus had to die because of prophecy and carried it out because they knew.....or at least Caiaphas did, and the only way Jesus could be killed was to accuse Him of blasphemy.

 

[TherapyDogLove]

Woe to you! You are cursed! Your motives for seeing this movie were not pure. I pray that God convicts you and opens your eyes. You are like one of the Pharisees challenging Jesus about paying taxes! Come to the movie with a repenant heart when you are serious about making a change and considering letting Jesus come into your heart. Then you will be able to see the movie and see what Jesus did for you. Repent! I pray for your soul.

I didn't mean to be so hard on you but I really hope you will consider what Jesus did for you. He died for your sake. I am not in a position to judge and God forgive me if I did. I hope you will see the truth. I am sorry you had all of that bad luck but it must have happened for a reason. I will be praying for you. I do care. Good Luck.

 

[spirit_of_purity]

i wanna see the passion of the Christ, they took it out of the movie theaters around here cause its too intense now i gotta go drive like 2-3 hours to see it

 

[Jesusong]

Well, I've finally seen it yesterday afternoon with my daughter and a friend from church. What I really noticed was how the intensity increased as the movie went forward. Humanly speaking one would think, "how much can one take, when you see what the Lord had taken so far, and yet the crowd (or mob) wasn't satisfied". That's what was goiing through my mind as I was watching Pontius Pilate. The flashbacks were a very good touch, it gave a little relief from the brutality of it all. I feel that anybody who after seeing this film still claims it to be anti-semitic has an axe to grind against Christianity, and they have hardened their hearts and minds and only the Holy Spirit will be able to soften that. So, we should all pray for those people.

I feel that this movie has come at just the right time. With all the fuss over the sin of gay marriages, the removing of the ten commandments from public places, the removing of "one nation under God" from the national pledge, and it won't be long before the word God is removed from our currency, I feel that this nation is setting itself up for divine judgement. God will use this movie to call out a remnant, and those who have been straddling the fence will be faced with a decision when they see and fully realize what Christ went through to purchase them back to God. This is the church's trumpet call to move and evangelize your neighborhood, your community, your state, the nation to repentance. The topic of this movie is the greatest coversation icebreaker if I've ever seen one. When the un-saved are bringing up the topic of Jesus, we should be right there with the gospel on our lips telling them why Jesus went through what He did. As Jesus said, "I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest".

 

[Lbiagm]

Go see it then.

 

[September]

About the baby, Mel said in an interview that the baby represented sin. It (sin) looks innocent at first but then turns out to be horrible and evil.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/news/040301-passion.html

"Again," said Gibson, "it's evil distorting what's good. What is more tender and beautiful than a mother and a child? So the Devil takes that and distorts it just a little bit. Instead of a normal mother and child you have an androgynous figure holding a 40-year-old 'baby' with hair on his back. It is weird, it is shocking, it's almost too much—just like turning Jesus over to continue scourging him on his chest is shocking and almost too much, which is the exact moment when this appearance of the Devil and the baby takes place."

 

[Lbiagm]

really sept.

 

[pgp_protector]

Was doing some reading about the Passion, and cant figure out how to answer the following report.

* In the garden of Gethsemane when Jesus said, “I am he,” nobody falls over backward (contrast John 18:6).
* In the Garden of Gethsemane, after Jesus is tempted by the devil, a snake slithers from underneath the female “devil’s” robe. And Jesus crushes its head beneath his foot. This is a reference to the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, but the Bible does not say that any of these things actually occurred. In fact, the Bible says that Jesus destroyed the devil by His death, not in the Garden (Heb. 2:14).
* After Peter denies Jesus, he is leaving the courtyard and sees Mary, Mary Magdalene, and John. He gets on his knees before Mary, calls her “Mother,” and confesses his denial to her. She holds out her hand to him (as if she is going to forgive him), and he runs away saying that he isn't worthy. Peter twice tells Mary not to touch him after he denied Jesus. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich.) This is rank heresy. It was Jesus against whom Peter sinned that night, not Mary!
* Mary is the only person other than Jesus who can see Satan. This gives her supernatural abilities akin to those of Christ.
* Mary goes to a specific place in the temple and lays down on the floor with her head on the stones because she sensed the presence of Jesus chained underneath the floor. She knew where he was. The camera pans through the floor and shows Jesus hanging from shackles and looking up into the stone ceiling toward Mary.
* Jesus falls six times on the way to the cross, whereas the Bible mentions no falls. Further, Simeon had to repeatedly help Jesus up when he fell, saying things like, “You are almost there,” helping the weak Jesus to the cross. I believe this shows a weakness in Christ during His suffering that is not only contrary to what the Scriptures teach but is heretical in regard to His person.
* Once when Jesus falls down, he is depicted as not having the strength to rise until he looks at Mary and gains strength from her. He is depicted as receiving strength from her at other times as well.
* On the way to the cross, Jesus tells Mary, “Behold, I make all things new.” Actually, that is not spoken until about 50 years later when John writes the book of Revelation.
* The movie portrays Jesus as somewhat bewildered at times as he is being beaten and hung on the cross.
* As she is looking up at the cross, Mary asks Jesus if she can die with him. One reviewer admits, “There is that identity of Mary with the death of Christ as well; not just in mourning His death but in wanting to participate in it.” The Bible says that Jesus Christ BY HIMSELF bore our sins (Heb. 1:3), and the reason why the Bible has none of these depictions is because Mary had nothing to do with Christ’s suffering for our sins. The way that Mary is placed everywhere with Jesus in His suffering is blasphemous.
* Mary is depicted as holding the dead Jesus at the foot of the Cross, which is a reenactment of the unscriptural Roman Catholic Pieta. It was not the women who took Jesus down from the cross and buried him. It was Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus (John 19:38-42).
* At the end of the movie Lucifer appears in “a desolate wasteland reminiscent of Hell,” but the Bible is clear that Satan will not be banished anywhere until after the return of Christ and will not be cast into the lake of fire until after the final rebellion at the end of the Millennium.
* There is also heresy in what is left out of the movie. The Passion of the Christ focuses on Christ’s physical suffering, but the Bible focuses on His spiritual suffering. The greatest suffering that Jesus endured that day was being made sin, was being abandoned by the Father because of sin. The darkness covered the earth for three hours and in that impenetrable darkness the mysteries of redemption were acted out between God the Father and God the Son. This is the focus of the prophecies such as Isaiah 53, but a movie that focuses on Jesus’ physical sufferings misses the main point of the whole affair.