The Other Premillennialism

Biblewriter said:

His views are UNQUESTIONABLY the oldest recorded views of the early that have been preserved. So, rather than being "an outlier," his views are the very beginning of the history of Christian commentary on scripture.

And these were also the views on Ireneus, who, according to Eusebius, followed the views in Papias, whose writings were completely destroyed by the Medieval monks.

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The Epistle of Barnabas UNQUESTIONABLY pre-dates Irenaeus and Hippolytus.

Epistle of Barnabas, circa 100 AD

Barnabas 16:6
But let us enquire whether there be any temple of God. There is; in
the place where he himself undertakes to make and finish it. For it
is written And it shall come to pass, when the week is being
accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the
name of the Lord.

Barnabas 16:7
I find then that there is a temple, How then shall it be built in
the name of the Lord? Understand ye. Before we believed on God, the
abode of our heart was corrupt and weak, a temple truly built by
hands; for it was full of idolatry and was a house of demons, because
we did whatsoever was contrary to God.

Barnabas 16:8
But it shall be built in the name of the Lord. Give heed then that
the temple of the Lord may be built gloriously.

Barnabas 16:9
How? Understand ye. By receiving the remission of our sins and
hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us. How? The
word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

Barnabas 16:10
For he that desireth to be saved looketh not to the man, but to Him
that dwelleth and speaketh in him, being amazed at this that he has
never at any time heard these words from the mouth of the speaker,
nor himself ever desired to hear them. This is the spiritual temple
built up to the Lord.


Based on the descriptions within v. 16:6 and the accompanying verses, the week in v. 16:6 can be none other than Daniel's 70th. Barnabas (or the writer of the epistle) associates it with the construction of a spiritual temple, the remission of sins, the indwelling of God, et al; all of which was accomplished and completed by Christ within the week.

There is no gap to be seen.

jgr said:

The Epistle of Barnabas pre-dates Irenaeus and Hippolytus.

Epistle of Barnabas, circa 100 AD

Barnabas 16:6
But let us enquire whether there be any temple of God. There is; in
the place where he himself undertakes to make and finish it. For it
is written And it shall come to pass, when the week is being
accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the
name of the Lord.

Barnabas 16:7
I find then that there is a temple, How then shall it be built in
the name of the Lord? Understand ye. Before we believed on God, the
abode of our heart was corrupt and weak, a temple truly built by
hands; for it was full of idolatry and was a house of demons, because
we did whatsoever was contrary to God.

Barnabas 16:8
But it shall be built in the name of the Lord. Give heed then that
the temple of the Lord may be built gloriously.

Barnabas 16:9
How? Understand ye. By receiving the remission of our sins and
hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us. How? The
word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

Barnabas 16:10
For he that desireth to be saved looketh not to the man, but to Him
that dwelleth and speaketh in him, being amazed at this that he has
never at any time heard these words from the mouth of the speaker,
nor himself ever desired to hear them. This is the spiritual temple
built up to the Lord.


Based on the descriptions within v. 16:6 and the accompanying verses, the week in v. 16:6 can be none other than Daniel's 70th. Barnabas (or the writer of the epistle) associates it with the construction of a spiritual temple, the remission of sins, the indwelling of God, et al; all of which was accomplished and completed by Christ within the week.

There is no gap to be seen.

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Regardless what he may have concluded about the 70 weeks, the texts below seem to indicate he likely placed the thousand years after the end of this age, thus he was basically Premil then, if that's the case.


Barnabas 15:2
And in another place He saith; If my sons observe the Sabbath then
I will bestow My mercy upon them.

Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Barnabas 15:6
Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands
and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow
the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone
utterly astray.

Barnabas 15:7
But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and
hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being
justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all
things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it
then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)


He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Obviously this part above takes care of 6 days, these days being a literal thousand years each, in his view.

but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Obviously the Sabbath meant here is the 7th day. Obviously he placed this 7th day after the 6 days in this age, and before the 8th day, which he apparently took for the beginning of eternity. It would look like this---6 days equals 6000 years. When these 6000 years end, this present age is up. The 7th day equals the Sabbath rest, and it too is 1000 years in length. Once that day is fulfilled, God will then make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world. Where world likely meant age to him.

The reason this has to be correct, to get to an 8th day requires that 7 days have preceded it. IOW, the 8th day does not follow the 6th day, it follows the 7th day.

DavidPT said:

Regardless what he may have concluded about the 70 weeks, the texts below seem to indicate he likely placed the thousand years after the end of this age, thus he was basically Premil then, if that's the case.


Barnabas 15:2
And in another place He saith; If my sons observe the Sabbath then
I will bestow My mercy upon them.

Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Barnabas 15:6
Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands
and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow
the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone
utterly astray.

Barnabas 15:7
But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and
hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being
justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all
things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it
then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)


He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Obviously this part above takes care of 6 days, these days being a literal thousand years each, in his view.

but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Obviously the Sabbath meant here is the 7th day. Obviously he placed this 7th day after the 6 days in this age, and before the 8th day, which he apparently took for the beginning of eternity. It would look like this---6 days equals 6000 years. When these 6000 years end, this present age is up. The 7th day equals the Sabbath rest, and it too is 1000 years in length. Once that day is fulfilled, God will then make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world. Where world likely meant age to him.

The reason this has to be correct, to get to an 8th day requires that 7 days have preceded it. IOW, the 8th day does not follow the 6th day, it follows the 7th day.

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I would not disagree. He could well qualify as an historic premil.

jgr said:

The Reformers referred to both "Antichrist" and "the Antichrist", recognizing from John's epistles that antichrist was both a plurality that had long been present, as well as a specific manifestation predominant in, but not exclusive to, their particular era.

That is, they were Scriptural, not dispensational, in their understanding.

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I do not know of even one dispensationalist that would even argue with a statement that Popery is "Antichrist." Our argument is with calling it "the Antichrist." For "the Antichrist" of scripture is unquestionably a specific, uniquely evil, end time individual.

Biblewriter said:

"Historic Premillennism" is a fiction being circulated by opponents of Dispensationalism.

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Most or all of the following were arguably premil.

All of them believed that the Church would suffer under Antichrist.

That is a characteristic of historic premil.

Seems there was much fiction in the early Church.

We take earnest heed in these last days; for the whole [past] time of your faith will profit you nothing, unless now in this wicked time we also withstand coming sources of danger, as becometh the sons of God. That the Black One may find no means of entrance, let us flee from every vanity, let us utterly hate the works of the way of wickedness. Take heed, lest resting at our ease, as those who are the called [of God], we should fall asleep in our sins, and the wicked prince, acquiring power over us, should thrust us away from the kingdom of the Lord. The Epistle of Barnabas [100-120]

He shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho [150-165]

Those, therefore, who continue steadfast, and are put through the fire, will be purified by means of it. For as gold casts away its dross, so also will ye cast away all sadness and straitness, and will be made pure so as to fit into the building of the tower. But the white part is the age that is to come, in which the elect of God will dwell, since those elected by God to eternal life will be spotless and pure. Wherefore cease not speaking these things into the ears of the saints. This then is the type of the great tribulation that is to come. The Shepherd of Hermes, Vision 4:3 [160]

Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against…It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfillment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved…. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is. Irenaeus, Against Heresies (Book 5) [182-188]

Heresies, at the present time, will no less rend the church by their perversion of doctrine, than will Antichrist persecute her at that day by the cruelty of his attacks, except that persecution makes even martyrs, (but) heresy only apostates. Tertullian, The Prescription Against Heretics [190-210]

That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church… Hippolytus, On Christ and Antichrist [220]

For you ought to know and to believe, and hold it for certain, that the day of affliction has begun to hang over our heads, and the end of the world and the time of Antichrist to draw near, so that we must all stand prepared for the battle; nor consider anything but the glory of life eternal, and the crown of the confession of the Lord; and not regard those things which are coming as being such as were those which have passed away. A severer and a fiercer fight is now threatening, for which the soldiers of Christ ought to prepare themselves with uncorrupted faith and robust courage, considering that they drink the cup of Christ’s blood daily, for the reason that they themselves also may be able to shed their blood for Christ… Cyprian, Epistle 55 of Cyprian [252]

The little season signifies three years and six months, in which with all his power the devil will avenge himself under Antichrist against the Church. Victorinus, Commentary On Apocalypse [300-400]

For this reason, therefore, is this “delusion” foretold unto us by the words of Prophets, Evangelists, and Apostles, lest any one should mistake the coming of Antichrist for the coming of Christ. Rufinus, A Commentary on the Apostle’s Creed [307-309]

But this aforesaid Antichrist is to come… At first indeed he will put on a show of mildness (as though he were a learned and discreet person), and of soberness and benevolence: and by the lying signs and wonders of his magical deceit a having beguiled the Jews, as though he were the expected Christ, he shall afterwards be characterized by all kinds of crimes of inhumanity and lawlessness, so as to outdo all unrighteous and ungodly men who have gone before him displaying against all men, but especially against us Christians, a spirit murderous and most cruel, merciless and crafty… Saint Cyril (Archbishop of Jerusalem), Lecture 15 [326 AD]

For how shall patience be looked for, if there be not previously labors and sorrows? Or how can fortitude be tested with no assault from enemies? Or how shall magnanimity be exhibited, unless after contumely and injustice? Or how can long-suffering be proved, unless there has first been the calumny of Antichrist? And, finally, how can a man behold virtue with his eyes, unless the iniquity of the very wicked has previously appeared? Athanasius, Festal Letters, Letter 10 [338 AD]

Biblewriter said:

I do not know of even one dispensationalist that would even argue with a statement that Popery is "Antichrist." Our argument is with calling it "the Antichrist." For "the Antichrist" of scripture is unquestionably a specific, uniquely evil, end time individual.

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The apostate papacy was "the Antichrist" of that era.

jgr said:

The Epistle of Barnabas UNQUESTIONABLY pre-dates Irenaeus and Hippolytus.

Epistle of Barnabas, circa 100 AD

Barnabas 16:6
But let us enquire whether there be any temple of God. There is; in
the place where he himself undertakes to make and finish it. For it
is written And it shall come to pass, when the week is being
accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the
name of the Lord.

Barnabas 16:7
I find then that there is a temple, How then shall it be built in
the name of the Lord? Understand ye. Before we believed on God, the
abode of our heart was corrupt and weak, a temple truly built by
hands; for it was full of idolatry and was a house of demons, because
we did whatsoever was contrary to God.

Barnabas 16:8
But it shall be built in the name of the Lord. Give heed then that
the temple of the Lord may be built gloriously.

Barnabas 16:9
How? Understand ye. By receiving the remission of our sins and
hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us. How? The
word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

Barnabas 16:10
For he that desireth to be saved looketh not to the man, but to Him
that dwelleth and speaketh in him, being amazed at this that he has
never at any time heard these words from the mouth of the speaker,
nor himself ever desired to hear them. This is the spiritual temple
built up to the Lord.


Based on the descriptions within v. 16:6 and the accompanying verses, the week in v. 16:6 can be none other than Daniel's 70th. Barnabas (or the writer of the epistle) associates it with the construction of a spiritual temple, the remission of sins, the indwelling of God, et al; all of which was accomplished and completed by Christ within the week.

There is no gap to be seen.

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I was speaking of commentaries on prophecy, as such. But this epistle attributed to Barnabas, in saying, as you have quoted, "And it shall come to pass, when the week is being accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the name of the Lord." Is most unquestionably NOT quoting Daniel, or even any scripture at all. For there is no such statement anywhere in the entire Bible

Biblewriter said:

I was speaking of commentaries on prophecy, as such. But this epistle attributed to Barnabas, in saying, as you have quoted, "And it shall come to pass, when the week is being accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the name of the Lord." Is most unquestionably NOT quoting Daniel, or even any scripture at all. For there is no such statement anywhere in the entire Bible

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What week do you think was being referred to?

jgr said:

What week do you think was being referred to?

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All I know is that he was speaking of a saying that did not come from the Bible. You want to interpret this to mean a reference to Daniel's seventieth week. But if the writer he was quoting was indeed speaking of Daniel's seventieth week, THAT writer, whose document unquestionably predated this document, was saying that the seventieth week was still future.

Biblewriter said:

All I know is that he was speaking of a saying that did not come from the Bible. You want to interpret this to mean a reference to Daniel's seventieth week. But if the writer he was quoting was indeed speaking of Daniel's seventieth week, THAT writer, whose document unquestionably predated this document, was saying that the seventieth week was still future.

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Barnabas, or the writer, recognized that the temple was already in existence:

"I find then that there is a temple".

And of what it consisted:

"By receiving the remission of our sins and
hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us. How? The
word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

All in past and present tense.

jgr said:

Barnabas, or the writer, recognized that the temple was already in existence:

"I find then that there is a temple".

And of what it consisted:

"By receiving the remission of our sins and
hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us. How? The
word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

All in past and present tense.

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The writer he was quoting saw it as future. But as I said, I was speaking of those that were discussing eschatology, not other subjects. The so-called "Epistle pf Barnabas" indeed mentions a few points of eschatology. But nowhere are its statements on the subject more than a few sentences long. As it is about other subjects.

Biblewriter said:

The writer he was quoting saw it as future. But as I said, I was speaking of those that were discussing eschatology, not other subjects. The so-called "Epistle pf Barnabas" indeed mentions a few points of eschatology. But nowhere are its statements on the subject more than a few sentences long. As it is about other subjects.

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Barnabas saw the 70th week as fulfilled.

Barnabas also obviously saw whatever he was quoting as referring to the 70th week, otherwise he would not have been quoting it in association with the 70th week.

So he also saw whatever he was quoting as being fulfilled.

The fulfilled 70th week, and all commentary about it, ceased to be eschatology at Calvary.

jgr said: ↑
And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father. In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place.

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Andrewn said:

Out of many possible interpretation, I found this one most interesting.

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I agree.
The Jewish Wars is compelling evidence of the fulfillment of Daniel and the 70ad Temple/Jerusalem discourse.........
I am actually working on Daniel 11 as the 1st century Jewish wars instead of Maccabees.
Here is the thread if any are interested:

Daniel 11 and the great North vs South War

LittleLambofJesus said:

Daniel 10:1
In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, even a great warfare<6635>
and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

Daniel 11 is a great chapter in the Bible and it appears to be talking about the "great warfare" in Daniel 10:1 involving a type of "Civil War" between the North and South.........

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"Ye will hear of battles and rumors of battles" 1st century concluding in Judea/Jerusalem 70ad

Matthew 24:6 “And you will hear of battles and rumors of battles. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
Mark 13:7 “But when you hear of battles and rumors of battles, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen,
but the end is not yet.
Luke 21:9 “But when you hear of battles and commotions/tumults, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first,
but the end is not immediate.”

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
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Andrewn said:

Most people are quite familiar with dispensational Premillennialism. They may even consider it standard Christianity even though the name may be obscure to them. I'm not interested in this form of Premillennialism. I already know too much about it.

What I'm interested in learning more about is other forms of Premillennialism such as Historic Premillennialism and Adventist Premillennialism.

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Andrewn said:

Tribulation:

Before the Millennium comes the tribulation. This is what most premil believers agree about. The book of Revelation describes the period of tribulation in the following verses:

Rev 11:2

but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

Rev 11:3

“And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Rev 12:6

Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Rev 12:14

But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Rev 13:5

And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.


From these verses we see that:

1) the period of tribulation is 3 1/2 years, and that
2) the Church is present on earth.

Toward the end of tribulation, the ruler / antichrist leads a large army against the opposition in the battle of Armageddon.

But who is the Antichrist?

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I've not read all through this thread - but only the other day did I learn of a different premillennialism. This view is also called "postribulational" as well - because it has the symbolic millennium after the tribulation. The difference from typical premill is that this is fulfilled - and PAST to us.

This is the view that J. Stuart Russell believed in. The timeline would be that after Christ Jesus' first advent.....and His anointing as King (at His baptism).....He didn't actually sit on the throne of David until the vindication of the martyrs and His judgement was complete (70 AD). So.....IOW....the millennium BEGAN in 70 AD.....and we are still in it.

The antichrist that pertained to that era were the zealots in general - and, most likely, specifically a zealot leader during Paul's time. This is all new to me......so I still have a lot more contemplation and studying to do......but this makes the most sense to me as of right now.

Andrewn said:

Russell had held the doctrine of the past second Advent (Preterism). The problem with Full Preterism is that it doesn't believe in 1) the physical resurrection of the body, and 2) the physical return of Christ. This is contrast to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, which is considered the standard of orthodox Christianity

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Russell's view isn't full preterism. Full preterism has ALL prophecy ENDING in 70 AD. This view is closer to the traditional amill
framework, but only a different time where Jesus figuratively takes His throne.

In Russell’s system there will be a future end to evil at the end of the millennium (Rev. 20:7-10); it sees Satan as defeated, just not disposed of yet (another distinction from full preterism). Russell's framework is partial preterism with the beliefs that Christ Jesus will come again in glory and that we look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.