The other Commandments

[Aldebaran]

Amazing that an all-knowing God wouldn't think to include those simple rules...

It's even more amazing that you don't understand that all those things are covered under "Love your neighbor as yourself".

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's even more amazing that you don't understand that all those things are covered under "Love your neighbor as yourself".

It's yet more amazing that the god of the OT didn't bother to make that part of the Ten Commandments.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Purely for the sake of argument, let's say God had more time with Moses, or more space on the tablets, and decided to issue more commandments than the 10 we all know, what do you think he would have chosen? Another way of putting this is, what do you think is missing, if anything, from the 10 commandments?
I'll start the ball rolling with a couple of obvious ones:
11) Thou shall not rape
12)
To be honest, there's an argument that one or both of these could have made it into the top ten. I mean, we all dislike graven images, but they're not as bad as rape.
Anyway, let's hear what people think about which commandments failed to make the cut...

funny you put 12) Never take another human being as a slave

as Yhvh never says slavery is wrong. (people /mankind say it all the time; so who you gonna believe - people/mankind OR Yhvh the Creator of mankind)

Yhvh had a penalty for rape and for having sex outside marriage - death by stoning. It worked . (at the time). didn't prevent every violation, but it sure helped. (not saying it's for today, but it worked when Yhvh's people obeyed. since Yhvh's people aren't in power today, it only works where people are willing to obey Yhvh today - not in most places on earth).



other things forbidden in Scripture but practiced today > greed (stock market, flipping houses, licensing for profit/oppression, gambling, immoral dressing, eating poisonous substances(selling these as food out to be illegal you'd think, eh?), 'dating around' (immoral behaviour especially leading to more sin), divorce (a biggee almost everywhere).

so, if men cannot even keep the instructions that Yhvh has already given, why or how would anyone think to make and keep even more laws ???

 

[Strathos]

It's a good thing God created His own commandments instead of having us do it. This is an example of how we can really screw things up.

1. Deception is ok if you can justify it.
3. We now get to decide for ourselves what justice is.
4. Animal rights activists would love making animals equal to humans.
6. As long as you don't actually arrive at what truth is, lest you be labeled.
7. Now we all have to be vegetarians.
8. Relationships would go out the window, by definition.

Even worse, plants are living creatures too. According to BL's commandments, we couldn't harvest plants or animals for food, and we'd all starve to death.

 

[Paradoxum]

Amazing that an all-knowing God wouldn't think to include those simple rules...

Blasphemy!

(I suspect the OT God wouldn't agree with a law against genocide).

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yhvh never says slavery is wrong. (people /mankind say it all the time; so who you gonna believe - people/mankind OR Yhvh the Creator of mankind)

It's pretty obvious to me that slavery is wrong, so going with mankind on that one.

Yhvh had a penalty for rape and for having sex outside marriage - death by stoning.

I dunno about that.

Deut 22:28-29

If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

Looks like the penalty for rape is marrying your victim, and keeping her for the rest of her life.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It's even more amazing that you don't understand that all those things are covered under "Love your neighbor as yourself".

But He couldn't just say that from the beginning, could He?

How much time had passed between Moses and the Ten Commandments and Jesus coming along with his "Love your enemies, love your neighbors." commands?

And still, for almost 20 centuries after Christ gave those commandments, we continued to practice slavery without hearing a peep out of The Big Guy Upstairs about it.

 

[decent orange]

But He couldn't just say that from the beginning, could He?

It was stated when it was time to be stated.

"How much time had passed between Moses and the Ten Commandments and Jesus coming along with his "Love your enemies, love your neighbors." commands? "
Around 1,500 years.

"And still, for almost 20 centuries after Christ gave those commandments, we continued to practice slavery without hearing a peep out of The Big Guy Upstairs about it."

When a concept such as virtue begins to exist, by default the opposite concept begins to exist , in this case vice.

Virtue is sown by God in the hearts of men. Then later , the adversary of virtue sows evil in the lackadaisical man's heart.

Then, in the fullness of time, the virtuous go to God, and the evil go to his adversary.

God is man's ally, and man is happy with God, and society flourishes.

Satan is man's enemy, and man suffers when he goes there, and they crumble, and never can have peace there, because that is where all the lovers of themselves who hate every other man, and who especially hate God.

God chooses virtue, and vice also exists and goes its own way: Genesis 1:4 - And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

Some people love God, and some don't. Nothing much else to say really.

 

[Aldebaran]

But He couldn't just say that from the beginning, could He?

More than half the commandments basically say that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. It doesn't take much thought to realize that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The old covenant is dead and gone, get over it people.

 

[Aldebaran]

The old covenant is dead and gone, get over it people.

It's actually fulfilled in Christ. Accept Christ and you've fulfilled the law in yourself.

 

[Euler]

It's actually fulfilled in Christ. Accept Christ and you've fulfilled the law in yourself.

Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?
Seems to me that it was envisaged that it would be a long, long time before those laws would be "fulfilled".

 

[BL2KTN]

Even worse, plants are living creatures too. According to BL's commandments, we couldn't harvest plants or animals for food, and we'd all starve to death.

And exactly how would my quickly proposed commandments do that?

Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?
Seems to me that it was envisaged that it would be a long, long time before those laws would be "fulfilled".

Listen, they follow whatever their pastors and theologians can come up with to help them accept huge chunks of flawed bible. I used to do it too. It's just mind games to give a crutch to an impotent author.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?
Seems to me that it was envisaged that it would be a long, long time before those laws would be "fulfilled".

You must read all of Matthew 5 to understand this. Verse 20 is revealing,

20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The Scribes and Pharisees were very righteous according to the letter of the law (tithing even bits and pieces of spices). Jesus is telling his disciples that they must do something very different to first understand and then to fulfill the law. Fulfilling means the full spiritual meaning and intent of the law. In fact the spiritual fulfillment of the law is the very antithesis of the letter of the law, and, is really more difficult to 'do'.

 

[Aldebaran]

Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?
Seems to me that it was envisaged that it would be a long, long time before those laws would be "fulfilled".

You're thinking of Luke 21:33 where Jesus said, ""Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."

 

[Euler]

You're thinking of Luke 21:33 where Jesus said, ""Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."

No I'm not. And I find it rather embarrassing that a lowlife atheist would have to correct a man of faith on his understanding.

This verse - it's from Matthew -

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Now, if the coming of the very man that was speaking those lines WAS the 'fulfillment', then why the need to indicate the passing of such a long period of time?

 

[Aldebaran]

No I'm not. And I find it rather embarrassing that a lowlife atheist would have to correct a man of faith on his understanding.

This verse - it's from Matthew -

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Well excuse me! You weren't exactly being very specific when you said, "Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?"

 

[BL2KTN]

Well excuse me! You weren't exactly being very specific when you said, "Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?"

Just accept you were wrong. No need for incredulity.

 

[Euler]

Well excuse me! You weren't exactly being very specific when you said, "Then how come it also mentions "until the heavens and earth pass away", or words to that effect?"

Well, I guess "or words to that effect" pretty well shows that specificity wasn't what I was aiming for.

Now, would you like to answer the question, or continue your indignation?

 

[keith99]

You know there are about six hundred additional "regulations" after the traditional ten. Maybe God got tired of babysitting his followers and simply said,

"Go figure out the rest of it".

I'm fond on #242 and #243.

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