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The origin of the universe - short exercise

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I stated that everything in this physical universe needs a cause...
So now (if I may suppose) you will posit an entire additional 'non-physical' universe to make your God hypothesis work.
 
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Larniavc

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Isn't that basically what you are doing with the quantum field theory?
No. There is evidence of that. What you have is a logical fallacy dolled up as meaningful.
 
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So now (if I may suppose) you will posit an entire additional 'non-physical' universe to make your God hypothesis work.
That sounds more like a Simulation Hypothesis than Classical Theism. Nevertheless, I find a Simulation Hypothesis more probable than some kind of naturally spawning finely tuned universe.
 
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Genesis 1:1 does not say:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

I cringe when someone says that.

Genesis 1:1 does say:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

There's a reason "heaven" is singular in Genesis 1, and plural in Genesis 2.
Good point!
 
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QFT is an attempt to explain the underlying reality of the observable evidence.
Which has entirely nothing g to do with what you posted.
 
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Is there anything going on here besides trying to turn rejection of a literal Genesis into an attack on the existence of God?
I imagine abortion will be along at some point. Or hating Jesus and persecution of Christians (True Christians- the ones who accept evolution, plate tectonics, cosmology etc).
 
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I imagine abortion will be along at some point. Or hating Jesus and persecution of Christians (True Christians- the ones who accept evolution, plate tectonics, cosmology etc).
'evolution, plate tectonics, cosmology' is part of orthodoxy??
 
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Is there anything going on here besides trying to turn rejection of a literal Genesis into an attack on the existence of God?
Not sure what the point is you're trying to make?
This thread should be about the origin of the universe, but unfortunately on this forum people tend to hijack conversations and take it all over the place...
 
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The current cosmological model is theory and ever changing
Lemaître's theory of the primeval atom was published in 1927, nearly 100 years ago. Gamow's Big Bang theory was published in 1948, 76 years ago, and, with some modifications is still regarded as valid today. On the other hand, there have been dozens of religious predictions of the end of the world since 1927, all of which have had to be changed when the predicted date passed without any supernatural intervention.
 
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Lemaître's theory of the primeval atom was published in 1927, nearly 100 years ago. Gamow's Big Bang theory was published in 1948, 76 years ago, and, with some modifications is still regarded as valid today. On the other hand, there have been dozens of religious predictions of the end of the world since 1927, all of which have had to be changed when the predicted date passed without any supernatural intervention.
This is cherry-picking. Why deliberately omit all the list of scientific theories published by 'scientific geniuses' of the past century which have been debunked as of this present point?
'end of the world' predictions are few and far inbetween in comparison.
(the bigger problem is, of course, that all such 'predicters' are deliberately ignoring Matthew 24:36.)
 
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