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The Olivet Discourse Cannot Be Divided!

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"If you had comprehended what I said, you wouldn't be saying what you're saying. Christ's return have no bearing on what the prophecy says. So, whether you believe 2,000yrs has passed and Christ haven't returned yet has no bearing on the fact the prophecy said his return and his kingdom were "nigh" and "at hand. Christ coming with power and glory does not affect what the prophecy dictates"


A big disconnect of convience above .... to disconnect the Lord from His prophets is folly of a man [2 Peter 1:16-21]

A blasphemous fable of human depravity, and especially coming from one who claims to be His follower
 
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The confusion always comes from ignoring one of the two questions asked by the disciples.


Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, 1.when shall these things be? and 2.what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


The first half of Matthew chapter 24 answers the first question concerning the temple stones.
It is filled with signs that they were to look for to tell them the timing of the destruction of the temple.
In Luke's version they are told that it will come when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies.


In the second half of Matthew chapter 24, they are given general signs that will occur at the time of the "parousia", which is the bodily Second Coming of Christ.
Jesus said He did not even know the exact timing.
Then we have a description of those "taken" and "left behind", which is a parallel of the parable of the Wheat and Tares, where the tares are gathered first and burned in the fire, while the wheat is left behind to be gathered into the barn.
The "taken" are destroyed, just like those taken by the flood.

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Quite the opposite. To ignore the fact that prophecies are yet to be fulfilled is to misunderstand and misapply Scripture. Or should we say fantasize? The key to the Olivet Discourse is the Second Coming of Christ. You have to go all the way down to Mt 24:30 to read about "the sign" of the coming of Christ. That is yet future.
You are missing the point, putting the cart before the horse, again.

Whether you think the prophecies aren't fulfilled yet or not have nothing to do with the facts pointed out. The prophecy specifically points to the tribulation after the temple and city destruction followed "immediately" by Christ's return. You can't disregard these facts which is what I meant by foundation facts. You have to build from the ground up from these facts or else you're going to misinterpret what's being said.

The world from then to now have been waiting for Christ return because of the foundation facts. Even the NT generation did because of the foundation facts. The foundation facts are what you have to base your interpretation on to get the correct interpretation.

The question now is why is the prophecy worded the way it is? And the answer is because of Dan 7 and Revelation's account of events, which is being factual. Dan 7:11 being Rev 19:20 proves the prophecies were fulfilled during the days to the Roman kings/horns and at the end of the tribulation. And since our world is still going, it can only mean it was fulfilled in heaven at time of the end of the great tribulation - heavenly and earthly events intertwining.
 
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Great graph! I also cannot see how some can separate Luke 21 from Matthew 24.......blasphemy I say!
 
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Here is my take:


Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.


I believe this whole passage is summarized in Luke's Olivet Discourse in the following verses:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter there into.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

These are the Jews whom did not believe Christ that stayed in Jerusalem up til the end.

Whereas, the Christians that obey Christ's prophecies in the Olivet Discourse are likened to Lot fleeing Sodom before its destruction, a la Christians will flee Jerusalem before its destruction.


Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.


That reasoning above is absolutely way... out... in left field, and not in the context of those Scriptures at all!

The Luke 17:37 answer by Jesus is linked to its parallel in Matthew 24:28. Those in Christ Jesus DO NOT FLEE, but keep grinding at the mill (i.e., working for Jesus til He comes).
 
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[parousia70 said:
Can you point to any other Christian besides you who believes and teaches that 100% of Matt 24 is Future to us?[/quote]
100% of the verses quoted of Matthew 24 in the opening post are future.
So are the Luke 17 verses quoted. Which Luke 17 was not the Olivet discourse (did not take place at the Mt. of Olives, but an un-named village verse 12) because the Pharisees spurred Jesus's reply by asking when the Kingdom of God would arrive, which Jesus expanded to the days of his return and the Kingdom of God would become the ruling kingdom over the heathen kingdoms of the world.
That is what I would think, except for the fact that Jesus mentions "as in the days of Noah" in those 2 chapters.
I will have to study up on Luke 17 when I have time.
Thanks for bringing that up......

Matthew 24:

38 “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Luke 17:
26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
and the flood came and destroyed them all.
 
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Great chart and I fully agree. and like the chart, I also noticed there are similar verses in Luke 17 that are not in Luke 21.
I found that out when harmonizing the 70ad O D.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

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Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings
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Matt 24:2 "stone upon stone
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Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end of the Age?
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Matt 24:4-5 For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ....
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Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars
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Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines
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Matt 24:9 Nation against nation--- famines, pestilences, and quaking---sorrows/trevails
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Matt 24:10 Deliver up one another---brother to death
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Matt 24:11, 12 False prophets.....multiplied lawlessness...love grows cold
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Matt 24:13 One enduring to end shall be saved
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Matt 24:14 Gospel preached, testimony to all nations----then the end
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Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
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Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
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Matt 24:17, 18 Those on Housetop---in the field
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Matt 24:19 "woe to those pregnant and nursing in those days"
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Matt 24:20 pray flight not in winter or sabbath
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Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
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Matt 24:22 Days shortened for sake of elect
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Matt 23:23-25 False christs and prophets--deceive the elect if possible
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Matt 24:26 He is in the desert, in the storerooms.
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Matt 24:27 Lightening flashes from east, so shall parousia of the Son of Man
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Matt 24:28 Where the eagles/vultures, there the corpse/carcass/body be
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Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
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Matt 24:30 Son of Man coming upon cloud/s of heaven with power and much glory
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Matt 24:31 Gather elect in trumpet sound from 4 winds of heaven/s
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Matt 24:32 Fig tree ripe, summer is nigh
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Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God
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Matt 24:34 Not shall be passing this generation till all fulfilled
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Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth pass away, but not My words
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Matt 24:36 Concerning day and hour, no one knows except Father
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Matt 24:37-39 As in Days of Noah, thus also shall be Son of man
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Matt 24:40-42 2 will be in the field, two will be grinding----1 taken, 1 left
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Matt 24:43-44 Homeowner be wathchful, not knowing which hour Son of Man coming
 
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