The oceans are getting hotter = more heatwaves

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
Since Genesis doesn't record global ocean temperatures for anytime in the 2500 years since it was written, how is it relevant to the topic at hand?

Just a sign of the times, that's all.

QV Post 2.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Just a sign of the times, that's all.

Kali Yuga, in Hinduism, is the fourth and worst of the four yugas in a Yuga Cycle …
It is believed to be the present age, which is full of conflict and sin.
Wikipedia

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

JohnEmmett said:
Kali Yuga, in Hinduism, is the fourth and worst of the four yugas in a Yuga Cycle …
It is believed to be the present age, which is full of conflict and sin.
Wikipedia

Whatever God has or does, Satan has a cheap imitation for.

Buddha, who abandoned his wife and son, calls it a "Yuga Cycle"?

We recognize seven dispensations -- (not four yugas) -- of time: Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and Kindgom.

We are currently in the sixth one (Grace).

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Buddha, who abandoned his wife and son

For the sake of a higher goal

Hans Blaster · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Just a sign of the times, that's all.

QV Post 2.

Still just an empty slogan. Means nothing.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
Still just an empty slogan. Means nothing.

Means nothing to you

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

JohnEmmett said:
For the sake of a higher goal

That's what they all say.

Most states in this country classify child abandonment as a felony.

A son needs his father.

But I guess Siddhartha didn't understand that at the time.

To his credit, he did go back though.

After, of course, his son was grown.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
That's what they all say.

You do not understand

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

JohnEmmett said:
You do not understand

They say that too.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
They say that too.

I know you only know the bible

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

JohnEmmett said:
I know you only know the bible.

Well, as Paul puts it:

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I wasn't called to be a scientist or anything like that.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Well, as Paul puts it:
1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Paul’s logic is such

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

JohnEmmett said:
Paul’s logic is such

His theology is above reproach as well.

He was tutored by Jesus Christ himself.

JohnEmmett · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
His theology is above reproach as well.

K…

eclipsenow · May 23, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Next, I suppose you're going to tell me day and night ceased?

First - any bible translation that renders the 'grain' in Joseph's Egypt as 'corn' thousands of years before Europeans travelled to Mexico to first discover corn needs to be shelved. Get yourself an NIV or ESV. Your old translation is broken.
Second - you're avoiding discussing seed-time at all costs aren't you!
Third - it sounds like you're moving onto the same page as Katharine Hayhoe on day and night and summer and winter. She's the famous evangelical climatologist. While some norms in summer and winter might shift a bit, summer and winter themselves will not disappear.
Fourth - any reading of the seed-time promise that allows for Joseph's famine also allows for climate change.

Hans Blaster · May 23, 2023

eclipsenow said:
First - any bible translation that renders the 'grain' in Joseph's Egypt as 'corn' thousands of years before Europeans travelled to Mexico to first discover corn needs to be shelved. Get yourself an NIV or ESV. Your old translation is broken.

(and I can't believe I am doing this) "corn" is a perfectly normal British word for grain that I believe is still in relatively common usage. (What Americans call "corn" the British call "maize" deriving from the Mexican term for that grain. The origin of the American usage is a shortening of "Indian corn" (in other words: Indian grain) and a switch to the word "grain" for the generic term.

This specific issue (corn) is because he uses a British translation with British terminology, though it is painfully out of date linguistically and other word usage issues do come up frequently, and he really should get a better translation. (At least one that uses current vocabulary.)

AV1611VET · May 23, 2023

eclipsenow said:
First - any bible translation that renders the 'grain' in Joseph's Egypt as 'corn' thousands of years before Europeans travelled to Mexico to first discover corn needs to be shelved.

Um ... how do you know the Mexicans didn't get the word "corn" from the Bible?

eclipsenow said:
Get yourself an NIV or ESV. Your old translation is broken.

You mean the ones that say the mustard seed is the SMALLEST of all seeds?

Matthew 13:32a [NIV] Though it is the smallest of all seeds

Matthew 13:32a [ESV] It is the smallest of all seeds,

Matthew 13:32a [KJV] Which indeed is the least of all seeds:

eclipsenow said:
Second - you're avoiding discussing seed-time at all costs aren't you!

No, sir.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

eclipsenow said:
Third - it sounds like you're moving onto the same page as Katharine Hayhoe on day and night and summer and winter. She's the famous evangelical climatologist. While some norms in summer and winter might shift a bit, summer and winter themselves will not disappear.

Never heard of her.

eclipsenow said:
Fourth - any reading of the seed-time promise that allows for Joseph's famine also allows for climate change.

And you're most certainly entitled to my opinion.

timewerx · May 30, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Yeah but "since satellite records began" is all that counts. Vote Green!

You can also get ocean temperature (and overall global climate) history long before satellite records by drilling for seafloor core samples.

Coral reefs are also good indicators

timewerx · May 30, 2023

AV1611VET said:
I don't know where it's coming from specifically.

But for the sake of arguing, let's say climate change is the result of poor stewardship of God's creation.

In dispensation theology, which I subscribe to, each dispensation ends with a judgement of God on the earth for not doing what we are supposed to do.

Thus, the judgement that ends the Dispensation of Grace -- (which is what we are under now) -- is the Tribulation Period.

And in the end times, Jesus said there would be a rise in weather phenomena.

It's going to happen.

God is kinda blaming humans for the Earth's destruction.

And it was kinda mentioned in the Bible too.

Even kinda preached in churches...Nope!

Why no Christians ever knew this? Because their church only cares about making them members feel good about themselves? Because the devil is making them blind and deaf from topics like it?

Revelation 11:18
The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

Akita Suggagaki · May 31, 2023

AV1611VET said:
It's going to happen.

is there a place for free will in dispensation theology?

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